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hexagonian is offline hexagonian
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My two cents,

The roleplaying aspect of the game is probably the best way to keep the game interesting. What it does is forces a player to invest a little more into the game. And it helps to have to have a sense of humor about it.

From what I have seen in the games that I have started, the non-role players are most often, the ones to drop out first. (That's not always the case though, but if somebody drops out, he usually was not a regular poster on my game threads)

I do have to say that I have seen many players who have expressed a lot of interest in playing, but later bailed out. I do have to agree with Jon that the best way to get a group of players you can count on is by invite only.

All you can do to prove you will be different is to keep playing when you get into a game - build you rep that way. This community is small enough where one can quickly figure out who is consistent.

What bothers me is the lack of communication when there are delays, or the unwillingness of a player to 'fess up and say that he no longer wants to play. Personally, if somebody wants to drop out, thats fine with me, but drop out with integrity please.

Yeah, it is an investment of time, that much is for sure...

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Drop in on any PBEM thread and say what you want. Its not private, and it's actually an encouragement to those in the game. All of us want our threads to be read by a wider circle, than just the players in that particular game.
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Another thing posting does (whether roleplaying is involved or not) is to allow all the players in the game to know what is happening. Because even if one had units scattered all over the board, one still wouldn't know all the "events" going on in any given game. So the posts of each player fills us in on all the things we cannot see. (Except for the posts that are designed to deliberately misdirect!)

One thing I'll say though is that there is always the danger of being misunderstood. I've seen situations where somebody was joking with another person who then took the joke seriously, as an insult. But even then there is always the possibility that things were not as they seemed, for I've also seen people deliberately try to stir up hostility so as to have an excuse to go to war!


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Yes, I have read some treads where mistakes (and direct insults) has occured.

And it can be used to break up alliances, just as in real life.

Getting two nations "on the marks", m'be break an (un)written agreement not to pirate or attack another.

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I've read the "invitation". Hope no-one regrets it.



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How are you going to cope when the best multiplayers, who all play Civ 2, join your happy crew? I guess you might learn something


I'm looking forward to this day of reckoning when you will find yourself eating your words, AH...

As for the RPG threads - I know for a fact that the threads themselves are merely the tip of the iceberg... Far more skullduggery goes on behind the scenes and it's being a part of that - or knowing that it is happening around you that really engages the imagination...

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You look forward to nothing, 'My Brother in Cloth', for AH is an expert in only one art and that is Spamming!

Cross Posting spurious garbage is scarcely a recommendation for treating 'the gelding's' opinions with any seriousness.

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Apropos mistakes and insults.

Aaginor had just taken over the japaneese in "World Scenario" which not so many would have done, considering the japaneese situation.

Now in "Do some PBEM" he takes over japaneese again. We don't know much about the japaneese there, since it has been an attached AI for most of the game. I would say, it's a bit of a challenge too.

So take my little comment to Aaginor - "already yellow". That made him raising from the chair. It was not meant as an insult (I don't even has contact to the japaneese in either games).

But in another game, this might be a very good starter to a decent war......think I'll remember that term.


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... and another misunderstanding ;-)

I didn't get upset from your words, Birdman. I simply didn't understood what you ment by "turning yellow". I was sitting in my chair, my forehead frowning and brood over your words. What did he mean? Is this some slang, I don't know?
As you all will have recognized already, english isn't my native language, and due to the lack of training, my english is like a plant in the shadow ... a little bit atrophied. I tried to think around the corners and didn't see the simple meaning of your words ... ;-)

And if it would be for the reason for a war, we can have it much easier. I think, that I can also force the japanese to sacrifice some virgins ... ;-)

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I have rarely seen any deliberate insults on this BB. I do, however, also play SMAC PBEM and there I have read some really very nasty postings. The only thing to do when Games turn personal is to 'get out quick'! I made the mistake of allowing myself to get angry, on a personal level, once and it did me no credit at all. I am ashamed of myself for it as I should have either accepted the situation or just walked away. It is a mistake I will never make again!

In terms of being 'accidentally' insulting, it is important to make the distinction between what your Game Persona can say from what you can, or would, say. 'St Jon' has the right to be as derogatory as he likes about Mobius, Demos, Hex, etc and their Civ's whilst 'Jon' would never suggest that Gwilym, Jono or Dave had unnatural relationships with grazing animals or that their people were nothing better than a bunch of 'stone age savages'. It is different and should be accepted as such.

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If you want to provoke a war - but not start it, I think it's "ok" to be rude. It should be accepted - though it might get the rest of the bunch to ally against you. That's the game.

What you should care of is, not to rude/arrogant against the same player in most games your in. Then you are on the "wrong" side of behavior.

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Yes, Jon, you made the point at 100 Percent!

We always have to seperate between the game and the real life. Insulting an other civilisation leader never have to mean, that you insult the person who plays the leader!
If we will ever kepp that in mind, we will have much fun playing TOGETHER! Always remember, we play this game together!

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OK... I've held off long enough... time for my two shequels..

I've often pondered on the nature of the other PBEM players in some of the games we play. It is an interesting medium, in that the person on the other side of the mouse can be anywhere from 9-90. From all cultures and backgrounds. Not coincidentally, many players take their own (or preferred) RL nation, as the nation that they play. This can be the greatest cause of (personal) conflict if people take advantage of it, which most thankfully dont.
Our participation in the game is a prelude to conflict. The roll playing gives us the excuse we need to start a war, and we have to face it, that is what CTP is about. We don't need an excuse to attack, but it makes it more fun. Take any excuse, play it up, and start a war. Check your history books, this was done so often that its (really!) not funny. I hope that I've never offended anyone personally in the games, but I believe that most people take our "diplomacy" for exactly what it is. A game.

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M'be I'm rude now.

But this is certainly the best thread, that AH has ever started!

I might even to be close to forgive his headless postings in the past (I know I should not have written this, this last sentense. But please. It's late and I'm tired).

Sleep well.

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Though "allowed" to post to some threads, that you don't play in - well I'll still prefer to post in this one.


swissy 2 part IV: Yes Egypt is certainly a woman, this is a little from the game: Egypt has brought this upon herself, we ....


Who of "us" don't remember the egypt diplomate in CIV II? What a woman - if she had existed in more than our minds....

This should not bring me back to settler... right Soph?
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Yes I remember the Diplomat in Civ2, quite a hotty Yeah I think the nation of Egypt has female connotation, like Mother Russia.

Hey was just having a little fun with my account. Any ways it's good to be a settler again.

It should be a fun war to watch Even more fun to play Pity I can't say anything about as it might give it all away.

Oh and feel free to post there if you want, or here it doesn't matter.

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The True Demosthenes is offline The True Demosthenes
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Soph, don't mind me, I won't read anything you post about the war

I have to say though, this has made Swissy 2 a lot more interesting now. I think Lung called it too much of a lovefest, or something like that.

Well, I'm sure that 'love' can shortly be substituted for a more apt word....

BTW, what on earth is going on with your account?

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You bunch of war-mongers!

You never see me engaging in conflict with my neighbours. Peace and Prosperity are my watchwords and Pacifism is the true path to 'Civilisation'.

Be not led astray by the 'Deleted' One who would guide along the path of violence as preached by the Legendary 'Butcher of Swissy1'!

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I think I know what happened.

Late in the night - the moon was full (and perhaps someone else) - a warewolf came to Sops chambre.

This creature stumbled over what shown to be Sops 'puter - it was open on the Apolyton.

And some terrible dids was done - and blame came on Soph the innocent. He was used by this - this - this animal! It couldn't spell at all!

St Jon - as you are the only living saint on this earth, pls try salvage poor Soph from his evil destiny - being a settler among other grown-ups gamers.

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Ohhh my God. It could have been worse. It could have been me!
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Sleep well for tonight (it's 9 o'clock now and another hard days work are waiting).

Be carefull out there - and may your Gods be with you.




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Yep. Birdman hit the nail on the head

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Originally posted by St Jon on 10-07-2000 07:12 AM
You bunch of war-mongers!

You never see me engaging (I)n conflict with my neighbours. Pe(am)ce and Prosperity (about)re my wa(to)chwords and Pa(crush)ifism is the true path to 'Civilisation'.

Be not led astra(you) by the 'De(like)eted' One who would guide (a)long the path of violence as preached by the Legendary '(Bug)utcher of Swissy1'(!)
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Gotta read between the lines...


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You're a bigger Slanderous SOB than even Shavlor, Hex! How can you say such things of a 'Man of Love'?

Nobody could name even one Game where I initiated War with anyone and I have only joined War's with a heavy heart to defend my Allies, as I did for your sake in Semi-Acc!

I am the most placid of neighbours who is content to build within his own borders and peacefully coexist with all. You attempt to turn me into a Demon!

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Well, excuse me, St. Jon, but (ahem) what is that word directly under your name when you post?

Perhaps it has some other meaning to you than to the rest of us?

In addition, we note that probably more wars have been started in the name of religion than for any other reason!

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You are simply nitpicking. Apolyton's definition of me as a 'Warlord' implies nothing. You know me for the true pacifist I am and have you ever witnessed me initiate a Crusade?

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Jon's right Demos blatantly attacked him in Semi Acc Right?

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Oh St. Jon,

It is a warped world you live in, my friend, when love is confused with inflicting suffering upon one's fellow man - something you do with skill and relish...

I will pray for you, and hope you will see the errors of your ways!

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LOL!!!

How dare you accuse my good neighbour, St. Jon, of warmongering!

Those stacks of Cavalry crossing my border in Swissy1 just want to extend their loving communal spirit into Australia, like the friendly neighbours that they are!

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I'm sorry to enter this latest debate a little late, but when exactly did I initiate a war with St Jon in Semi Acc? I was the epitomy of 'The Loyal Ally', until I was stabbed in the back after doing St jon's dirty work for him

If only St Jon were to go through a crisis of faith for his sins, like Eastender's Dot Cotton, then all would be forgiven.

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Demos, you confessed that you had plans to attack me and I was merely saving you from the evil path you had decided to tread. You should have thanked me but did I receive a shred of gratitude?

As for you Lung, I have been the victim of an unprovoked attack from you but have never initiated any hostile act against you!

I am being wronged!

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LOL! (falling off chair, laughing hysterically, rolling across floor, etc)

Victim?!! VICTIM?!!! I have never attacked you, and you know that. As for your 33, that's - THIRTY-THREE( ), units crossing my border at last count, what are they? Aid workers?? Hmmm? Methinks not. As for "never" initiating a hostile act, (ahem) what about my peace keepers? If you don't consider that act hostile, then i can only suppose that you got that little statement in before you launch all-out war on me.

That little military readiness betrayal will not be forgotten! All i can say is, don't take the powergraph to be gospel, m'boy!
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Come on - go the CTPII section, suggestions.

Back me up there.....


By the way - I would like to make a comment to something seen in another tread about effect of alliances vs. a player having both LE and Edisons Lab.

But I don't dare - yet.......
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