31-08-2002 15:13									#31
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Do we know what techs we start with? Will formers and tanks be available at all? Otherwise many of these queue suggestions are moot.

	31-08-2002 17:13									#32
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Why do we need an extra scout? The Independant Scout will serve us well enough to start with, and I'm sure we'll manage at least 1 Unity Rover pop at some point. Building so many things so soon when we have so few minerals is a waste.

	31-08-2002 18:56									#33
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quote: Originally posted by moomin Do we know what techs we start with? Will formers and tanks be available at all? Otherwise many of these queue suggestions are moot.

we start with biogenetic (tanks) and centauri ecology will be our first tech for formers.

maybe the HQ can build a pod first, but after that

formers/pod/scout/pod/facilities OR SP's.

as the vel guide says, it's important to get the formers out as soon as possible planting forest, so we can get our pods out faster relative to our opponents. and it's true.

EDIT: i just checked my monument thing, and i finished the WP in 2152.

	01-09-2002 01:30									#34
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How many established bases before committing to an SP such as the WP?

	01-09-2002 01:36									#35
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1st base-pod/former/scout/WP
2nd base (free pod)-former/pod/scout/HGP
3rd base (1st base's pod)-former/pod/pod OR scout/VW
continue like that.

to answer your question, 3.

	01-09-2002 10:09									#36
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I assume you intend to build a garrison before starting on the rest of the queue?

	01-09-2002 18:36									#37
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Thank you, Archaic - I didn't remember that scout.

How about this then:

Garrison/CP/Former (when we can)/Scout

I think we need another scout in case the first gets wormed and so we can explore two directions simultaneously. I maintain that an early CP is vital and a former as soon as we can is alos a damn good idea. Tanks come soon after this lot.

	01-09-2002 18:46									#38
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We're near the Unity Wreckage. Let's make use of the Mining Laser (Which may possibily Independant if we're lucky) and the Unity Scout Chopper. No need for extra scouts afterall.

	01-09-2002 18:54									#39
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Damn - we chose the Planet map? Well that's so much less everything...
OK -scouts are less important - some of us know where everything is. My queue stands - that should be a dozen turns or more easily.

	01-09-2002 19:18									#40
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no unity wreckage on SMAC map. only SMAX.

	01-09-2002 19:22									#41
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the wreckage there anyway in SMAC so long as the SMAX expansion is installed alongside it?

	01-09-2002 19:28									#42
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no.

(and i tested it)

	02-09-2002 12:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the wreckage there anyway in SMAC so long as the SMAX expansion is installed alongside it?

The "no" answer makes sense - what would happen to all the SMACers that loaded the game ?

I'll go with Garrison/CP/Former for our first base, though I don't like more Scouts...

Z

	02-09-2002 17:08									#44
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Do you think that we will play far enough in the first set of turns to worry about the fourth build?

Until I get any grave concerns, my decision for the queue is as I mentioned before:

Garrison/Colony Pod/Former (when we have the tech)/Scout

Base2 - well we will need to start a poll on the base location when a few turns of exploring are done with, but let's get discussion going now.

Should the first things this base builds be any different? Garrison/CP/Former again (just no Scout)?

I am not fully au fait with the specific early game strategies - is there some base specialisation that is worth considering? For instance if it is a good enough site, would Garrison/some SP be considered a good idea in our cases?

	02-09-2002 17:15									#45
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I should've said patch 4 installed in retrospect, since I know they added the certain landmarks at that time. But oh well, if it's not there, it's not there.

	02-09-2002 18:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Zakharov VII The "no" answer makes sense - what would happen to all the SMACers that loaded the game ?

with SMAX, you have the choice of SMAX or SMAC. so when you play SMAC, the unity wreckage isn't there. if the turn was a SMAX file, people with SMAC couldn't play it (the game crashes or something)

	02-09-2002 20:31									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic I should've said patch 4 installed in retrospect, since I know they added the certain landmarks at that time. But oh well, if it's not there, it's not there.

The Borehole and The Manifold Nexus should be on the map if DE has SMAC 4.0. I don't think though if there are a bunch of monoliths put around them. That might be an addition of the SMAX map.

	02-09-2002 20:34									#48
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the only landmarks that should not appear are fossil field ridge and UNS Unity Wreckage. borehole cluster and manifold nexus are in SMAC V4.0.

	02-09-2002 20:34									#49
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the manifold nexus isnt placed on the map i think that purely smax right?

	02-09-2002 20:37									#50
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as far as i know, its on the eastern part of the middle continent in SMAC too (though i don't recall the borehole cluster in SMAC. it's on the big continent west of upland wastes.)

	02-09-2002 20:41									#51
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i know the cluster is there but the manifold I am not sure of

TKG see my EDITED post in the topped un constitution

	02-09-2002 20:48									#52
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Zakharov VII:

quote: I disagree. We need to plan in advance, so that correct decisions can be made on hurrying. And we should definately be hurrying quite a bit, especially if we can get on Free Market.

You have been telling yourself we won't be hurrying anything in the first few years. For the first few builds I would personally post a seperate poll. Only when we have a few bases, fixed build queues should become common practice.

However, I see MrWhereItsAt has already chosen his build queue without even posting an official poll. So much for the democracy game.

	02-09-2002 20:50									#53
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well maniac is right about the posting of polls but the most people will agree on it I THINK.

when are the next couple of turns played anyways?

	02-09-2002 20:59									#54
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Well yes I must confess I agree myself with MrWhereItsAt's build queue.

	03-09-2002 01:21									#55
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Well I have seen no disagreements since I posted the proposed queue. Time is running out, and with a poll, it would be
1. Accept this queue or
2. Propose a new one.

Since no-one has done the latter, it is as if the former was accepted. I fully intend to poll, but only if there is more than one option proposed. Things are quite simple now anyway - once we know our environs (beyond immediate environs), it can be better discussed. As it is this is generic, what any old base should do, really.