02-09-2002 14:41									#31
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Fair enough.

BTW who would buy the training complex for that much, it wasn't the local governmnet was it?

	02-09-2002 15:50									#32
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Topscorer: Ronalda

Who's Ronalda? Is that Ronaldo's sister?

	02-09-2002 16:40									#33
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quote: BTW who would buy the training complex for that much, it wasn't the local governmnet was it?

I think it was in the center of the city, and some project company bought it to put large buildings on it. I can see the point of that, and understand why it would have that value.

quote: Who's Ronalda? Is that Ronaldo's sister?

it's the nickname I give to the CL-top scorer!
I'll tell you who it is after the season final!

but if that's not ok with you, I'll stick to someone else, let's say.......... Ronaldo.....

(Do you think that editing my post won't be needed, or will you deny me any points at the end of the season since Ronalda was wrong?)

	02-09-2002 16:55									#34
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I don't care about those typos. I will just assume that Ronalda should be Ronaldo unless there was actually a player called Ronalda. In that case I would have asked if you really wanted to predict this Ronalda as the top scorer.

	02-09-2002 18:04									#35
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thought already your answer would be something like that

	02-09-2002 18:14									#36
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Top Scores - Raul.

	02-09-2002 20:33									#37
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Another change. I changed my winner before the transfer but now I want Ronaldo as the top scorer as well.

	02-09-2002 21:28									#38
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I change the top scorer to Ronaldo too.

	02-09-2002 21:52									#39
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Yeamans, I wanna change to Ronalda, er, Ronaldo too.

	03-09-2002 00:23									#40
	Re: Champions League predictions: 1st round and pre-season predictions Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Overall winner: Real Madrid
Top Scorer: Van Nistelroy

Group A:
BV Borussia Dortmund

Group B:
Valencia CF

Group C:
Real Madrid CF

Group D:
Internazionale FC

Group E:
Juventus FC

Group F:
Bayer 04 Leverkusen

Group G:
FC Bayern München

Group H:
FC Barcelona

AJ Auxerre - PSV Eindhoven 0-2
Arsenal FC - BV Borussia Dortmund 1-1
Valencia CF - Liverpool FC 2-1
FC Basel - FC Spartak Moskva 2-1
KRC Genk - AEK Athens FC 2-2
AS Roma - Real Madrid CF 1-1
Rosenborg BK - Internazionale FC 0-2
AFC Ajax - Olympique Lyonnais 2-1

Feyenoord - Juventus FC 1-1
FC Dynamo Kyiv - Newcastle United FC 1-1
Manchester United - Maccabi Haifa 3-0
Olympiakos Piraeus - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 0-2
FC Bayern München - Deportivo La Coruña 1-1
Milan AC - RC Lens 2-0
FC Lokomotiv Moskva - Galatasaray SK 1-1
FC Barcelona - Club Brugge KV 3-1

	03-09-2002 02:26									#41
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No fair! I picked Ronaldo first, I want to keep him for myself.

	03-09-2002 03:08									#42
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My predictions:

Winner: Real Madrid
Top Scorer: Ronaldo

Group A Winner: BV Borussia Dortmund
Group B Winner: Valencia CF
Group C Winner: Real Madrid
Group D Winner: AFC Ajax
Group E Winner: Juventus FC
Group F Winner: Manchester United FC
Group G Winner: RC Deportivo La Coruña
Group H Winner: FC Barcelona

Tuesday, 17-09-2002:
AJ Auxerre - PSV Eindhoven 0-1
Arsenal FC - BV Borussia Dortmund 0-2
Valencia CF - Liverpool FC 1-0
FC Basel - FC Spartak Moskva 0-1
KRC Genk - AEK Athens FC 1-0
AS Roma - Real Madrid CF 1-2
Rosenborg BK - Internazionale FC 0-1
AFC Ajax - Olympique Lyonnais 1-0

Wednesday, 18-09-2002:
Feyenoord - Juventus FC 0-2
FC Dynamo Kyiv - Newcastle United FC 0-1
Manchester United - Maccabi Haifa 2-1
Olympiakos Piraeus - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 0-2
FC Bayern München - Deportivo La Coruña 1-2
Milan AC - RC Lens 1-0
FC Lokomotiv Moskva - Galatasaray SK 1-1
FC Barcelona - Club Brugge KV 1-0

	04-09-2002 15:59									#43
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Fair enough. BTW who would buy the training complex for that much, it wasn't the local governmnet was it?

Sorry but those training grounds are located on the financial centre of Madrid. Anyone would have paid that much for the terrain, so they could build three skyscrappers there.

Besides, do you have an idea how much money does Real Madrid make all over the world? Raúl, Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo can sell a few Real Madrid jerseys, you know.

	04-09-2002 16:16									#44
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Ok so Madrid have a lot of money in the bank at the moment, to pay all those wages they are going to have use that money.

When they run out of money the next time they won't have a training ground to sell. However they will still spend more money than everyone else. The government wouldn't allow Madrid (or Barcelona for that matter) to go under

	04-09-2002 17:48									#45
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Let's see: TV rights money, merchandising money, friendly matches (such as the last one in New York against Roma) money, season tickets (such as the one I own, almost €600, including CL matches) money... Real Madrid is, just as Man Utd for that matter, a money-making machine.

Oh, and all that "government support" whine... Are you sure you aren't a closet FC Barcelona fan?

	04-09-2002 17:51									#46
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No i dont support either.

My point is they ran out of money before, what will happen when it happens again.

BTW Man Utd could find themselves in some difficulty after spending £30 mil on a center half

	04-09-2002 18:00									#47
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Well, they ran out of money after 10 years of corrupted and moronic management. Remember Real Madrid paid nearly as much for Anelka three years ago as for Ronaldo now?

The club seems to be much better managed now, ever since Lorenzo Sanz went away, and Florentino Pérez is in office (don't know if that's the right word for a football club).

If things are done right, Real Madrid, Man Utd or even Barcelona can afford big transfers and still not run out of money, just because they're high-selling trade marks.

	04-09-2002 18:26									#48
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ManU made £21 million profit last season.

	04-09-2002 18:29									#49
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In the year it spend £50 million strengthening the squad.

	05-09-2002 02:16									#50
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CL winner: Inter
Top scorer: Vieri

Group winners:
A: Borussia
B: Liverpool
C: Real Madrid
D: Inter
E: Juventus
F: Bayer
G: Bayern
H: Barcelona

Tuesday, 17-09-2002:
AJ Auxerre - PSV Eindhoven 2-1
Arsenal FC - BV Borussia Dortmund 2-0
Valencia CF - Liverpool FC 1-1
FC Basel - FC Spartak Moskva 1-0
KRC Genk - AEK Athens FC 0-1
AS Roma - Real Madrid CF 1-1
Rosenborg BK - Internazionale FC 1-1
AFC Ajax - Olympique Lyonnais 2-0

Wednesday, 18-09-2002:
Feyenoord - Juventus FC 0-0
FC Dynamo Kyiv - Newcastle United FC 2-2
Manchester United - Maccabi Haifa 4-0
Olympiakos Piraeus - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 1-2
FC Bayern München - Deportivo La Coruña 1-1
Milan AC - RC Lens 2-0
FC Lokomotiv Moskva - Galatasaray SK 2-2
FC Barcelona - Club Brugge KV 3-1

	11-09-2002 16:01									#51
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Winner:Barcelona
Top scorer:Crespo
Group Winners
Group A:
BV Borussia Dortmund

Group B:
Liverpool FC

Group C:
Real Madrid CF

Group D:
AFC Ajax

Group E:
FC Dynamo Kyiv

Group F:
Manchester United FC

Group G:
Milan AC

Group H:
FC Barcelona

Tuesday, 17-09-2002:
AJ Auxerre - PSV Eindhoven 1-0
Arsenal FC - BV Borussia Dortmund 1-2
Valencia CF - Liverpool FC 1-1
FC Basel - FC Spartak Moskva 0-2
KRC Genk - AEK Athens FC 0-0
AS Roma - Real Madrid CF 1-1
Rosenborg BK - Internazionale FC 0-1
AFC Ajax - Olympique Lyonnais 3-1

Wednesday, 18-09-2002:
Feyenoord - Juventus FC 3-1
FC Dynamo Kyiv - Newcastle United FC 2-1
Manchester United - Maccabi Haifa 4-0
Olympiakos Piraeus - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 0-1
FC Bayern München - Deportivo La Coruña 3-2
Milan AC - RC Lens 2-0
FC Lokomotiv Moskva - Galatasaray SK 1-1
FC Barcelona - Club Brugge KV 3-1

After the all 1-0 strategy there will be the "Juventus-to-lose-all-the-games" strategy...let see if it works

	11-09-2002 16:40									#52
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quote: Paul: Besides, if Feyenoord can win the UEFA Cup, there's no reason why Ajax can't win the Champions League.

mostly because Feyenoord is a much better team than Ajax is.

	11-09-2002 16:45									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Sloth After the all 1-0 strategy there will be the "Juventus-to-lose-all-the-games" strategy...let see if it works

Uhmm

I think this tactis will fail miserably

Maybe a Juventus-will-surely-win-every-single-game Strategy would work much better

Saluti

	11-09-2002 17:13									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Uhmm I think this tactis will fail miserably Maybe a Juventus-will-surely-win-every-single-game Strategy would work much better Saluti

Maybe...but " al cuor (granata) non si comanda"

	11-09-2002 17:23									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Sloth Maybe...but " al cuor (granata) non si comanda"

I didn't expect to find a granata on these boards

Saluti

	13-09-2002 17:45									#56
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The first round starts on Tuesday. Don't forget to post your predictions.

	13-09-2002 22:53									#57
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For those of you who are interested, UEFA has started UEFA Fantasy Champions League. I started an Apolyton league, which you can join with this code: 69195@_66362

And I just noticed that you can also win prizes:

quote: The highest points scorer each Matchday will scoop two tickets to a UEFA Champions League match of their choice as well as hotel accommodation. An alternative option of UEFA Champions League merchandise will also be offered. Details of the overall prize will be announced on uefa.com in the near future.

	13-09-2002 23:33									#58
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Link doesn't work

Try UEFA Fantasy Champions League.

	13-09-2002 23:46									#59
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Right. I made a typo in the url, so I edited my post and I also edited in that you can win prizes.

	13-09-2002 23:55									#60
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CL winner: Real Madrid
Top scorer: Van Nistelrooy

Group Winners:
A) Arsenal
B) Liverpool
C) Real Madrid
D) Inter
E) Juventus
F) Manchester U.
G) B. Munich
H) Barcelona

Games:

Tuesday, 17-09-2002:
AJ Auxerre - PSV Eindhoven 1-1
Arsenal FC - BV Borussia Dortmund 2-0
Valencia CF - Liverpool FC 0-0
FC Basel - FC Spartak Moskva 1-2
KRC Genk - AEK Athens FC 1-2
AS Roma - Real Madrid CF 1-1
Rosenborg BK - Internazionale FC 1-2
AFC Ajax - Olympique Lyonnais 2-0

Wednesday, 18-09-2002:
Feyenoord - Juventus FC 0-1
FC Dynamo Kyiv - Newcastle United FC 2-1
Manchester United - Maccabi Haifa 4-0
Olympiakos Piraeus - Bayer 04 Leverkusen 0-2
FC Bayern München - Deportivo La Coruña 1-0
Milan AC - RC Lens 2-1
FC Lokomotiv Moskva - Galatasaray SK 1-1
FC Barcelona - Club Brugge KV 2-0