01-09-2002 20:42									#31
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At the minimum, all natural drugs should be legal. It seems silly to ban the consumption of a plant. Beyond that, I would be more against pharmaceutical type drugs being illegal than legal. But not so far as to lead a charge to make them legal. Marijuana and mushrooms should be legal, banned from use in public areas, and taxed (with most of the tax money going to rehab and anti-addiction programs).

	01-09-2002 20:46									#32
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Legalise the lot, why should it be the government's business what people do with their bodies.

	01-09-2002 20:57									#33
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I agree with you C0ckney in that principle, but I think government has a responsibility to take action in certain situations. If every illegal drug was legal, well, let's just say just ecstasy, for instance. If ecstasy was legal, I know for sure usage would go up in clubs. The thing with prohibition is that it only works to an extent if it actually keeps the supply of drugs well below the demand. In this regard, prohibition failed with alcohol and is failing with marijuana, heroin, and crack/cocaine. But with ecstasy, many club-goers don't have access to this drug. With legalization I think that more kids/young adults would experiment with ecstasy. I've known many people who have taken ecstasy, regularly used it, and even a young girl that died from it.

Sure, the government has no right to tell informed, educated people what they can or can't do with their bodies. But too many young people are ignorant about too many drugs. I was a member of that small group of scared teens that realized their ignorance when it came to drugs. I learned more about drug use before the first time I decided to try marijuana. I went through a period of regular use, even a short period of over-use and abuse. Before legalization of harder, pharmaceutical type drugs, I think that people need to be educated about all of the drugs and their consequences.

	01-09-2002 21:27									#34
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Ban'em all

Leave alcohol legal 'cause that's what our ancestrors drunk (Dionysus? )

	01-09-2002 21:43									#35
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney Legalise the lot, why should it be the government's business what people do with their bodies.

[voice of conservatism]because it affects other people?[/voice of conservatism]

some thingies have been tried and qualified they work on society others might not work so good.


if with one pill you can take your car and smash some inocent inconspicious pedestrian walking by then...


to do that otherwise you'd have to drink lots and maybe even then you wouldnt do it.


anyway, it's not a question of what the gov can or cant do IMO.


think the opium craze....
wasnt it the govs business to regulate that?

anyway, im starting to sound like a conservative so i'll stop. but about these things i guess i am.

	01-09-2002 23:36									#36
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Sava, there will always be stupid people who stupid things, look at the Darwin awards for example, it isn't up to the government to protect people from their own stupidity. I think more education is a great idea btw.

Ecstasy is interesting, I would say that most people who die from that die from either de-hydration or from taking stuff which is very impure or simply isn't ecstasy. More education and the quality controls that legalisation would bring would cut ecstasy deaths to almost nil.

Paiktis, If people commit crimes while on drugs or drive whilst under the influence then they should be punished for that, rather than punishing them for just using drugs..

	02-09-2002 00:24									#37
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you forgot to add Fly Agaric. You can't have berzerkers running around this day and age, now can you...

	02-09-2002 01:11									#38
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney Ecstasy is interesting, I would say that most people who die from that die from either de-hydration or from taking stuff which is very impure or simply isn't ecstasy. More education and the quality controls that legalisation would bring would cut ecstasy deaths to almost nil.

There has never been any documented case of someone dying of XTC (MDMA).

The problem is that becouse its illigal there's no quality controll.

And since producing pure MDMA pills is about 10 times as expensive as producing your typical speed infested partypills (the kind that makes you grind your teeth for a couple of hours) off course they are going to produce rubbish

Btw, banning the use of natural plants (Marihuana/shrooms) by those so called christian conservatives actualy goes against their god's wishes as stated in the bible

	02-09-2002 01:34									#39
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all of the above, and throw in coca-cola (i.e the devil) and all things fat too...

	02-09-2002 01:39									#40
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Might as well ban sugar too then.

	02-09-2002 01:43									#41
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quote: Originally posted by atawa Might as well ban sugar too then.

all things nasty and filthy

	02-09-2002 01:51									#42
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But even vegetables are now being geneticly altered in the USA, what do you propose these people feed themselves with then?

	02-09-2002 01:54									#43
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quote: Originally posted by atawa But even vegetables are now being geneticly altered in the USA, what do you propose these people feed themselves with then?

Feeding stimulates over-population

	02-09-2002 01:56									#44
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No, seriously. Food can be more or less bad for you. The healthier (i.e least bad) alternative should be preferred and encouraged by the state.

	02-09-2002 02:02									#45
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I totaly agree with that, but there is a big difference between encouraging something and banning it.

	02-09-2002 02:16									#46
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quote: Originally posted by atawa I totaly agree with that, but there is a big difference between encouraging something and banning it.

Well.. by banning one thing you encourage other things, right?
Harsh punishment for breaking these bans should discourage usage as well. Zero tolerance for addiction etc..

Yes I'm aware, I sometimes become too much of a visionaire

	02-09-2002 04:31									#47
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--"I'm a bit surprised by the amount of people here... that even want things like alcohol, tobacco and caffeine to be illegal."

Okay, the title says King, but how long have you been in the Off Topic forum? I'm surprised that anyone could be surprised by this

--"At the minimum, all natural drugs should be legal."

Define "natural" please.

--"But too many young people are ignorant about too many drugs."

You can drop the "about too many drugs" from this statement and still be perfectly correct. Guess who's doing the teaching?

--"if with one pill you can take your car and smash some inocent inconspicious pedestrian walking by then..."

Driving under the influence (of almost anything on the list) is already illegal, and doesn't stop it from happening. This is a crime to be punished, just like other crimes.
Unless you want to start locking people up because they might do something, or banning everything down to knives and pencils because they might be used to hurt someone.

--"Might as well ban sugar too then."

This is a reply more to the one you're repling to than to you, but I can't let this line pass up unused...

quote: Daria: Raisins? Tad: Raisins are nature's candy. Daria: Then why do they have to cover them with chocolate to sell them at the movies? Tricia: Sugar is bad. Tad: Sugar rots your teeth. Tricia: Sugar makes you hyper. Tad: Hitler ate sugar.

-- Daria ("Pinch Sitter")

--"Yes I'm aware, I sometimes become too much of a visionaire"

That's not the word I'd use for it. Dictator, perhaps. Idiot would fit. Overbearing yahoo. Sanctimonious jerk. I'm sure you get the idea.
I just have this problem with people who are so convinced that they know what's best for everyone else, and have the attitude that by damn everyone is going to like it or else.

Wraith
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-- George Willard

	02-09-2002 05:55									#48
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Drug prohibition has failed dismally.

Illicit drugs should be controlled in the same way as tobacco and alcohol or prescription medications are controlled.

If one of my children developed a drug problem I would like them to be treated as someone with an illness, not a criminal.

If you look at the evidence, alcohol and tobacco are just as bad heroin and cocaine but society tolerates those drugs and manages alcohol and tobacco addictions differently i.e. medically.

The only reason drugs were banned is because of puritannical Christians. The same people who brought prohibition to America.

	02-09-2002 06:00									#49
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I'd ban acetycoline, but that's only because of it's source.

	02-09-2002 08:15									#50
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all drugs should be illegal. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, heroin, cocaine.

....and while i'm on this, the monopoly's of drug companies should be illegal too.

	02-09-2002 08:45									#51
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Whe'res the "all of the above" option?

Even the Bannana option?

	02-09-2002 08:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Wraith --"At the minimum, all natural drugs should be legal." Define "natural" please.

My guess is drugs that don't require chemical changes to **** you up. Like mushrooms and marijuana. Of course, all drugs should be legal, but I think that this is a fair enough compromise I'm willing to make with people.

A government that thinks it can outlaw species of plants and fungus is out of control.

	02-09-2002 08:54									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X A government that thinks it can outlaw species of plants and fungus is out of control.

The government has been out of control since the Great Depression, but what the hell. We wuv you, FDR!!

	02-09-2002 11:43									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Wraith Okay, the title says King, but how long have you been in the Off Topic forum? I'm surprised that anyone could be surprised by this

Ages, although I don't really spend a lot of time online... And sometimes I have too much faith in the common sense of humanity, I guess.

	02-09-2002 22:39									#55
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Outlaw them all except for caffeine, chaw, snuff, and toad licking. These 4 only harm the user. Tobacco harms others through passive inhalation, the others impair cognitive abilities, reflexes, perseption and judgement, there by making the user dangerous to others around him.

	02-09-2002 22:42									#56
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--"the others impair cognitive abilities, reflexes, perseption and judgement, there by making the user dangerous to others around him."

Sounds like you'd suggest we should outlaw morons, klutzs, blind people, and gullible people too

Wraith
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	02-09-2002 23:28									#57
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney Paiktis, If people commit crimes while on drugs or drive whilst under the influence then they should be punished for that, rather than punishing them for just using drugs..

You can argue that taking the drug itself is a punishable offence since you knew that after you have taken it you'd be... out of character, shall we say?

The same goes for alcohol too but at least on that regard it is something that has been around in society for a long time and its effects have been already assessed (drinking in succession is needed to reach **** face drunkeness contrary with a pill where you get the effect immidiatly etc) and tolerated.

I have not a unmovable position on the subject of which drugs should be legalized and who should not. I just would prefer that they are not legalized and at the same time the drug users not getting in trouble for using them, additional trouble that is. Except of course if they have done something other which is criminal.

	02-09-2002 23:33									#58
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Acetycoline is natural, but you shouldn't touch the stugg. Report anyone selling it to the cops.

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quote: We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of uppers, downers, laughers, screamers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon.

Probably one of the best movies ever made...

	03-09-2002 03:11									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Wraith --"the others impair cognitive abilities, reflexes, perseption and judgement, there by making the user dangerous to others around him." Sounds like you'd suggest we should outlaw morons, klutzs, blind people, and gullible people too Wraith "Sounds like you’ve been snacking on some of the local mushrooms." -- Albert ("Twin Peaks")

There are already a host of things that the mentally retarded, mentally ill, blind and neurologically impaired can not do. If their diseases are severe enough to impair their abilities to function they're already living in a prison of sorts. thank you for recognizing this state of affairs.