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quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
time: 21:12
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Alright Keygen. Go ahead...

If you understood what is he asking then I must be too dumb to follow his "instructions". I went to his site and saw nothing about the .zip file he mentions. Show me the way Keygen!

And Solver... What exactly am I "absolutely wrong" about ?? None of your links above work!
[This message has been edited by quinns (edited February 01, 2001).]

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Quins, I posted it on january 12th and 14th... here is it again:

turn 99: about september 16th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, Duck Hunter, [King Thor], max_webster, [TheBirdMan], Frazer

turn 109: about october 17th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, [King Thor], max_webster, Duck Hunter, Frazer, [TheBirdMan]

turn 119 : november 12th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, max_webster, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

turn 129 : december 10th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, max_webster, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

turn 139 : january 13th 2001
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, max_webster, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

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Sep 2000
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Quinns and Keygen, you're both wrong now, no HTML is needed .
Quinns, go to the http://www.aok.20m.com/aztecs.html and then type http://www.aok.20m.com/pbemcharts.zip in the Address bar . Get the file on Desktop, and upload it to www.worldtennisratings.com through your FTP program. Then everyone will be able to just download the file, without in fact visiting the page.

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Finally. Quinns is now in process of uploading and downloading the needed files here. Phew!

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quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Post  Old Post 01-02-2001 23:14
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Relax Solver. Take it easy man...

quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Post  Old Post 01-02-2001 23:19
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Solver,

I follow your instructions exactly and get a similar "Forbidden" error described above.

"Forbidden

Host: [207.15.43.130]

You do not have permission to access http://www.aok.20m.com/pbemcharts.zip

Data files must be stored on the same site they are linked from.

Thank you for using 20m Free Web Space"

You're welcome...
Quinns
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Keygen is offline Keygen
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Jan 2000
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If you want to put the link to a web page then you need to put a HTML tag Solver. Otherwise you will have to post the address and cut and paste the link to the browser's address bar.
Anyway I have downloaded the zip file and emailed it to Quinns if that was the problem!?!

Swissy is offline Swissy
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Sep 1999
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Post  Old Post 02-02-2001 00:12
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So, just how does one get rated here. Of the games listed, I am in Monkey1. I will be in a couple of Keygen's games, which I think will be rated, as will APQS2(as soon as Slamp gets back from holiday).

Keygen is offline Keygen
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Post  Old Post 02-02-2001 00:57 Visit Keygen's homepage!
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First of all you have to declare the highest level you have beaten the AI. Diety, right? .
Every 10 turns the game gets rated.
Each player is rated for that game according their position on the game's chart. You get points for every opponent behind you on the charts and loose points for every opponent in front of you.
I don't remember the number of points you get for every player and how many you lose.
Quinns & Solver will tell you.

Well, Swissy you will soon reach the top I belive .
BirdMan, watch out of him .

Paul is offline Paul
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Mar 1999
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Like Keygen said, the highest level at which you beat the AI determines your initial rating. You should post that here. If you want to be rated in Monkey 1 you should also post that.

quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Post  Old Post 02-02-2001 07:02
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Keygen, thanks I got it. As requested by Solver, I have a new link above under "Additional Report Links" called "Solver's PBEM Charts Download".

The number of points you gain or lose is variable depending upon the player rating difference and which player was higher on the power graph. See the "Ratings Formulas" link above for more information.

Slamp, thanks but all I need, intitially, is the player TURN order for Dutcheese. And I thought I remember reading that you were only going start rating this game from turn 119 forward, not from 99. Can someone who is playing Dutcheese, get a concensus, and help clarify this for me?

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Sep 2000
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Silence, everone. Zip is there, and stop at this, no more comments on this are needed.
I will try to send the updated charts to Quinns each Monday, perhaps Sunday someday. But if he updates it at 23:00 Aplyton time, it's when I'm waking up in the Monday...

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slamp is offline slamp
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Quinns, you're right we'd like to begin at turn 119.
The players turn order is:
1) Frazer (Viking)
2) TheBirdMan (English)
3) Klair (French)
4) Ed aka Duck Hunter (German)
5) Don aka max_webster (Canadian)
6) King Thor (Russian/Slav)
7) Slamp (Mayan)
8) Jon (Irish)

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Post  Old Post 02-02-2001 16:46 Visit Solver<br><img src=/forums/images/staff-icon.gif>'s homepage!
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Slamp, you don't need to type things like Don aka Max Webster. We ONLY need the Apolyton handle for that person, as otherwise it will just mess the things up, making it harder for both of us.

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quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Solver... "Silence" yourself! Who were you directing that comment to?? Again, I was answering questions completely unrelated to your little charts that I have placed on MY site, paid for with MY money. And Slamp, "Thanks for the Update..." (you need to learn some courtesy Solver, man... :shaking my head: )
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You know, Quinns, English language is another thing I should learn. But I was angry when I wrote this, and one can easily see that!
Apologies.

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quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Alright Solver... I understand now, and misunderstood your intent earlier, though I'm still really not quite sure why you were angry in the first place. (And your English is one thousand times better than my Russian!)

Quinns
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King Thor is offline King Thor
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no.. Not Prince! KING!
Sep 2000
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Post  Old Post 03-02-2001 03:13
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I'm not sure if you've mentioned this before, but what I wanted to know is when a player is defeated in a game does every one beat him several times? or does the player responsible for taking him out beat him several times? You see what I am saying?

I mean, if your civ is invaded by mine in some game and I am responsible for taking you out of the game. Am I the one who gets all teh credit (rating bonuses) for defeating you, or does everyone get bonus points for one player having left?? This would make sense if you look at it from the point of view of "last one left standing" gets the most number of bonus points. But in a game my civ could take out 4 other players only for me to be taken out by 1 other civ and that civ ends up winning the game. just curious.


quinns is offline quinns
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Oct 2000
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Thor, maybe the following will help, if not, post again. Regarding only one person taking credit for taking a player out, I don't believe that's fair. It could be that some other nation did all the work at eliminating a nation, but the last city falls to a nation that did nothing but take that last city. See below existing rule:

From the first thread of CTP Ratings:

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Elimination Rule

If, in a rated game, a player:
a) resigns;
b) changes status from "rated" to "unrated";
c) gets annihilated; or
d) gets "next turned" for three turns in a row,

then every remaining player in that game "DEFEATS" THAT PLAYER THREE TIMES (as measured by the normal
ten turn phase defeat).

For example, in a 5 player game, the first person who gets "eliminated from the ratings in that game" would be
"defeated" 12 times (as measured by the normal power graph 10 turn defeat), (3 multiplied by 4 remaining
players.) This equates to an average decrease in ratings of about 2 to 3 points for the eliminated player. The
second player eliminated would be defeated 9 times (3 multiplied by 3 remaining players), ... etc.

In the case of resignation or three consecutive "next turns", then that resigned player's civilization will be
"next turned" until a replacement player, (either rated or unrated), takes over that civilization's control."

King Thor is offline King Thor
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Okay. .what about every single city is destroyed by me. I mean I single handedly wipe out your entire nation. Why should anyone else get credit for my hard work?

Keygen is offline Keygen
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Noone gets any credit Thor.
Only the defeated loses points. Noone else gets or lose points .

quinns is offline quinns
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That's not true Keygen. Sorry to contradict you. According to what we agreed upon earlier, the eliminated player gets defeated 3 times by all the other remaining players. That includes increases to the survivors and major decreases to the eliminated one.

And Thor, your scenario is WAY to hard to prove. Think about it. How would you PROVE that you "single handedly" took out another nation? 234 screen shots?? Forget it. (By the way, Slamp put you down as being "rated" in Ducheese... is that true??)

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Sep 2000
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Really, we need no proofs most of the time, we tend to trust people. Of course, noone prevents a King player from saying that he has beaten Deity and getting that 21 initial rating, but we trust. After all, Yeti didn't worry about saying that he has only ever beaten Warlord.
Quinns - why was I angry? How would you fill after having to reinstall Linux and receiving an Internet bill in one day?

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Quinns, the PowerGraph for Do some PBEM? game is:
TheBirdMan (slightly ahead, enhacing his overall lead)
Aaginor
Paul
Solver
(Stavros)
Krash

Nice to see that BirdMan is so much ahead . Just kidding and killing everyone.

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Sorry, I have made a mistake here. Stavros is unrated in Do some PBEM, previous post edited.

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Solver,
That's interesting about the Power Graph for "Do some PBEM"... but why did you post it here? Is there a "turn" related to that post? Or was it just for my information? I would rather only see *9th turn posts of the Power Graph here as anything else, though interesting, is superfluous and confusing.

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It was turn 49, so go and rate. Why is it interesting, actually?

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Oct 2000
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Alright Solver... Here it is in plain talk. It was not really that interesting. I was being sarcastic about you being the only one who posted without the turn number. Everyone else posted the turn number with their Power Graph results. So I thought I would be a bit sarcastic to get my point across to include the "turn number" next time so that I don't have to research it myself.

Is that a little clearer? Sorry if it sounds harsh, Solver, but I know that English is your third language and I must be more direct in what I am saying.

Quinns
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PowerGraph sequence for R2-Islands, turn 29:
Kralj
Quinns
Aaginor
King Thor
Solver

What a pity - I was close to beating King Thor here, but no luck. I think we're about to see some interesting changes due to several turns pending.
Quinns, if you update it Apolyton time 23:00 tomorrow, I will send you the updated PBEM Charts on monday, and also alert MarkG for it, as 23:00 Apolyton time is 6:00 in the morning for me.


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Sep 1999
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Solver and Quinns.....

Please!

 
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