07-09-2002 11:57									#271
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dig dig dig
you dont do 'continued on page A5' in your newspapers? what do you think was all over those pages tingkai

completely clueless
totally and completely clueless

	07-09-2002 12:23									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Asher, try to understand something simple. There is no such thing in the news business as a "comparitive piece." Every news story should be balanced and fair.

Ya right. And when does that happen? Do I have to wait for hell to freeze over?

	07-09-2002 12:35									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Asher dig dig dig you dont do 'continued on page A5' in your newspapers? what do you think was all over those pages tingkai

Yes, some newspapers make use of "continued on..." if a story is printed on more than one page. (although many newspapers specifically ban page turners )

But if part of this article was continued on another page, that has nothing to do with the question of bias in the article.

Nice try.

	07-09-2002 12:36									#274
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doesnt it annoy you when everything zings by your head at a hundred miles an hour?

	07-09-2002 12:41									#275
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Ya right. And when does that happen? Do I have to wait for hell to freeze over?

You mean balance and fairness? It is something that we strive to achieve, although unfortunately, many articles are not balanced or fair. As well, achieving a level of balance and fairness that pleases everyone is impossible (See Asher's previous comment about the CBC).

By the way, when I say balance, I do not mean that everything will be perfectly even. Instead, in this context, I mean that reporters usually make an effort to show more than one side of a story.

	07-09-2002 12:44									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Asher doesnt it annoy you when everything zings by your head at a hundred miles an hour?

I don't know. Never happens to me. Maybe you can tell us since you're the expert on it.

	07-09-2002 12:46									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai I don't know. Never happens to me. Maybe you can tell us since you're the expert on it.

that one is just downright clever
have you considered running for the liberal party

	07-09-2002 12:47									#278
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quote: Originally posted by Asher that one is just downright clever

Well, finally, we're in agreement.

	07-09-2002 13:14									#279
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quote: Originally posted by Asher yay, Tingkai, there's more horribly biased news from the Herald http://www.canada.com/calgary/calga...9-2ADFAAA3C73A}

This is actually a good example of the weak journalism at the Herald.

The Herald takes a CP story and localizes it, a routine process at any newspaper.

The original version starts with a statement of fact: "Canada has no intention of meeting the conditions of the Kyoto protocol on greenhouse gas emissions even though the government hopes to ratify it this fall, Natural Resources Minister Herb Dhaliwal confirmed Thursday."

Followed by opposing viewpoints:
"The government's position flabbergasted other signatories to the 1997 accord, appalled environmentalists, puzzled opponents and left even some Liberals scratching their heads."

The Herald changes the lead into something that is not true:"The future of the Kyoto accord was thrown into chaos Thursday after Natural Resources Minister Herb Dhaliwal confirmed Canada has no intention of meeting the conditions of the treaty on greenhouse gases."

The future of the Kyoto accord has not been thrown into chaos as the Herald claims. The Canadian government's position is rather confusing, and could be called chaotic, but not the future of the agreement.

This is a prime example of lazy journalism.

	07-09-2002 13:15									#280
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you dont think when the canadian government's position on the issue is chaotic that the future of the kyoto accord, as it is locally, is not thrown into chaos?

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	07-09-2002 13:17									#281
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The key word is "locally". The line should have an appended "in Canada" on it...

	07-09-2002 13:19									#282
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perhaps they were lying on good ol' intuition
when it's talking about canada and canada's resource minister and kyoto being thrown into chaos, take a guess what they're talking about

	07-09-2002 13:20									#283
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There are some references in the article to how Canada adopting the treaty with conditions could lead to others doing the same thing... How is the Herald's position lazy?

	07-09-2002 13:21									#284
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Journalists tend to be rather anal when it comes to choosing words for a news story. If you saw something that said "located in Hong Kong and China" you wouldn't blink an eye, but any good editor would immediately notice that this is incorrect because it implies that Hong Kong is not part of China. Yup, it is anal, but that's what we get paid to do.

If the Herald wanted to say that the Canadian position on Kyoto was thrown into chaos then it should have written that. Instead, it took the lazy route out and ended up printing something that is not correct.

	07-09-2002 13:21									#285
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and this has to do with albertans only getting one side of the story....how

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither There are some references in the article to how Canada adopting the treaty with conditions could lead to others doing the same thing... How is the Herald's position lazy?

It would be accurate to say the agreement could be thrown into chaos by the Canadian government's actions, but it hasn't happened yet.

I know, I'm being anal, but I tend to get that way when reading news stories, particularly my own.

	07-09-2002 13:23									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Asher and this has to do with albertans only getting one side of the story....how

Remember how you were complaining about my comment that the Herald is terrible...

	07-09-2002 13:26									#288
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Remember how you were complaining about my comment that the Herald is terrible...

i was complaining about your comment that they only show one side of the story

you somehow wanted to think i was saying you knew nothing about joralism or that its overall terrible

im talking about how you assume things and deny assuming things and then dont have anything to back up what you say

	07-09-2002 13:35									#289
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Are you still going on about that. You posted a one-sided story that only contained the Albertan government's viewpoint, (and the comment of a former lawyer for the Alberta government). I point out that this story is one sided, and you claim I'm making assumptions.

Clearly you're wrong. And all you are doing is repeating your false statement. Enough already. As much as I enjoy watching you dig yourself into the ground, let's call it quits unless one of us has something new to say.

	07-09-2002 13:37									#290
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i am so utterly amazed at the lack of your ability to understand this

in fact i am so amazed that i am now speachless

or not

" I point out that this story is one sided, and you claim I'm making assumptions. "
no i claimed you were making assumptions when you said that they only said one side of the story because it was with 2 other articles that had different viewpoints

you had assumed they only showed 1 viewpoints and you are wrong

but you dont understand
you truly dont understand

	08-09-2002 03:04									#291
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uh huh