07-09-2002 01:20									#31
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

BTW, Konqueror is bundled with the KDE, so it isn't exactly that light to use.

QC,

how can you say that Mozilla would be a Opera imitation? For instance Opera doesn't include a communication program like ChatZilla, and it's e-mail and Usenet features are pathetic compared to Mozilla Mail. And let's not forget the address book tool and Composer. The sidebar isn't a copy of Opera actually. Not to mention all the available sidebar tabs. The page verification tools are also something that Opera doesn't have. And when it comes to development, there's more developer information available compared to Opera. Just some Mozilla rumblings.

	07-09-2002 02:13									#32
	Got spare money?

Konqueror isn't too good, IMHO. The version on my school's computers has problems rendering Apolyton (these were described earlier), although the version on my computer doesn't seem to have any problems.

* ssh's to a computer at school and uses X11 forwarding *

Hm. It seems to work correctly now. Ah well. Mozilla doesn't seem to work at all (whines about not finding its runtime directory), so my environment is probably just screwed up a little.

	07-09-2002 06:13									#33
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To be honest I do prefer IE, but as that's not working at the moment and I can't be bothered figuring out a solution Opera suits my needs quite well.

	07-09-2002 10:16									#34
	Increase the size of your Attachments

IE > Mozilla > Opera > Netscape

	07-09-2002 10:34									#35
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Mozilla better than Opera!?

	07-09-2002 12:53									#36
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Short answer: yes.

	07-09-2002 13:54									#37
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

At least as long as you have the computrons for running Mozilla without such fun things as visibly lagging text input or looong waits when switching tabs, and the patience to wait for it to start up...

If you don't - it's Opera all the way.

	07-09-2002 14:08									#38
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Oh, it's the 'Default Ultra MoO3' style that is a mess.

	07-09-2002 15:13									#39
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quote: Originally posted by MattHiggs My IE is all messed up. When I try to open a link I just get a blank ie window which is VERY annoying. I can't re-install it either because it says I have the latest version, even when I try and install IE 6.

Don't you have the option of restoring the previous version or fixing the current version, if you choose to uninstall it through the Add/Remove Software thingy?

	07-09-2002 18:25									#40
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by LightEning At least as long as you have the computrons for running Mozilla without such fun things as visibly lagging text input or looong waits when switching tabs, and the patience to wait for it to start up...

The clue is that Opera has been designed to be a light weight browser, while Mozilla and Netscape are more powerful with the Gecko engine that demands PC capacity. At least I don't have any of the problems listed above with Mozilla.

	10-09-2002 02:10									#41
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anythings better than evil Microsoft products, eh?

	13-09-2002 00:12									#42
	Got spare money?

rasbelin:

quote: how can you say that Mozilla would be a Opera imitation? For instance Opera doesn't include a communication program like ChatZilla, and it's e-mail and Usenet features are pathetic compared to Mozilla Mail. And let's not forget the address book tool and Composer. The sidebar isn't a copy of Opera actually. Not to mention all the available sidebar tabs. The page verification tools are also something that Opera doesn't have. And when it comes to development, there's more developer information available compared to Opera. Just some Mozilla rumblings.

one word for mozilla: bloatware.
two words for netscape 7: aolplug and bloatware.
two words for ie: bloatware and microsoft.
two words for opera: annoying banner.

between those four browsers, i'd pick the one that's least annoying most times around. and that's the banner of opera.

i realize that mozilla's got a ton of features that opera doesn't have. but the simple fact is opera came out with tabbed browsing first, so is it any wonder that it looks like mozilla copied it, even if it is functioning differently? i'm not talking about the sidebar-- i'm talking about viewing multiple pages in a single window.

as for developer information: mozilla happens to be open source. opera is not.

overall, i still have mozilla, ie, and opera on my system. i just tend to favor opera because of the mouse gestures, the popup killer, tabbed browsing, and the ability to open pages in the background.

	13-09-2002 02:49									#43
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Everyone is free to choose.

	13-09-2002 06:04									#44
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed two words for ie: bloatware and microsoft.

I feel sorry for people who don't use products just because Microsoft made it.

I wouldn't call IE bloaty, it's the speediest of the browsers on my PC. Even faster than Opera. Blame it all you want on system integration, that's one of its features.

	13-09-2002 07:32									#45
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quote: I feel sorry for people who don't use products just because Microsoft made it.

actually, i have no problem with using IE. i also think that microsoft did a good thing by finally introducing the concept of using a web browser to browse your HD files-- and was sorely pissed when i had to reinstall win95 on an old system and found that IE5 does not integrate itself, and that i needed to install IE4 to do that.

quote: I wouldn't call IE bloaty, it's the speediest of the browsers on my PC. Even faster than Opera. Blame it all you want on system integration, that's one of its features.

as for bloated, yeah, i'd say that. especially when opera clocks in at 3mb, while ie clocks in at around 10... on a 56k modem, asher, which i have while i'm not at college, those 7mb take forever.

	13-09-2002 18:40									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Everyone is free to choose.

Unfortunatly this is not true I can't choose if I deinstall IE or not. IE is not number one, because it is good, but because you were not able to remove it from windows intirely. And that is wrong with this browser, I am sorry Micro$oft can intergrate it into Windows and take some of my freedom away, but at least I am free not to use it and therefore I use my power, even if it wastes system ressources. But I don't support this strategy.

-Martin

	14-09-2002 00:43									#47
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quote: I am free not to use it and therefore I use my power, even if it wastes system ressources.

But that's the problem. MS (M$ for Glonk) shoves IE down your throat, want or not... I don't want anything to waste resources but me.