06-09-2002 06:48									#31
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1.5 planets, which I'm pretty shocked about because I'm basically a slob. Maybe it's because I walk or cycle almost everywhere..

	06-09-2002 06:50									#32
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Well, here they are:

http://www.redefiningprogress.org/

They claim the footprint quiz is scientifically supported.

Franky, are just mad because you've become aware you enjoy a substantially better lifestyle than most of the world's people?

	06-09-2002 06:52									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I agree. From a scientific stand point this test is designed to shock people and not to be accurate. The numbers are inflated. Plus it didn't take into account heating energy; I live in southern California and almost never use the heater or airconditioner (I love that ocean breeze ) so wouldn't an ice bound canuk consume more then the quiz let's on?

The test does seem to take location into account. The question about weather on the first page changes the test results. Canucks end up with a bigger footprint then someone in San Fran.

	06-09-2002 06:54									#34
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The average American has 9.7 hectares, but I'm here with 3.1... yall decadent mother****ers got three times as much **** and waste as I do!

	06-09-2002 07:00									#35
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4.9 planets, well, that leaves .1 planet to bury dead Iraq after The Wrath of W.

	06-09-2002 07:19									#36
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2.3 Planets, 4.2 hectares. What a stupid quiz.

	06-09-2002 07:30									#37
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I made a guess on some issues
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Food 1.2
-vegetarrian but eats processed food
Mobility 0.6
- this is what you get from flying
Shelter 2.6
-decent size appartment shared with one other
Goods/Services 2.9
- some but not much recycling and conservation
Total Footprint 7.3
--------
I want to know how people get so low on goods/services

if I choose that I create much less waste in the goods choice I drop down to a 2.2

so how do you get a .3???

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 07:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer The average American has 9.7 hectares, but I'm here with 3.1... yall decadent mother****ers got three times as much **** and waste as I do!

Yeah, but you spew three times as much **** as we do.

	06-09-2002 07:42									#39
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I picked

US
21-35
1mil+ (I think the Washington DC Metro area is this size)
New York (I had no idea on this one actually)
male
infrequently
half (maybe a bit more)
about the same (complete guess)
2
60-90 (a quick estimate, it might be 90-130)
I think there are 6 housing units (so I picked multistory appartments, but it might be terraced housing units)
yes
than for travel I don't do much of anything but walk/ride a bike (everyonce in a while I will take the metro somewhere) and I fly about 25 hours a year

that gives the breakdown given earlier



Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 07:45									#40
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OK

this is crappy, I picked the same options (actually a bigger house was allowed) but said I lived in france (in the Bordeaux region) (actually I also said I was female but I already tested and that has no bearning)

and I got

Food 0.9

Mobility 0.5

Shelter 0.9

Goods/Services 1.5

Total Footprint 3.8

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 07:46									#41
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I mean look at the shelter option

just the difference in that one does not make sense

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 07:47									#42
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the differences (much more slight) in the mobility option does not make sense either

are their planes more effeceint than ours or something?

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:07									#43
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We consumed a lot less in Chicago than we do here. Air conditioning is mandatory here. We don't have public transportation, and because we are here we fly occasionally (back to Chicago).

Imagine how different a different country makes it.

	06-09-2002 08:13									#44
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When we followed the link Boris posted we got different answeres (It uses the Imperial measuring system!)

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.2

MOBILITY 0.5

SHELTER 5.7

GOODS/SERVICES 4.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.5 PLANETS.

	06-09-2002 08:13									#45
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but I put down the same ammount of flying for both

25 hours of flight a year

how is there any difference in that?

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:14									#46
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Dangum metrics.

	06-09-2002 08:17									#47
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I got roughly the same

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 3

MOBILITY 1.5

SHELTER 6.4

GOODS/SERVICES 7.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 18

flying just 25 hours a year takes a lot

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:19									#48
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if I change myself to much less waste (on the goods choice) I am returned

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 3

MOBILITY 1.5

SHELTER 6.4

GOODS/SERVICES 5.4

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16


Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:22									#49
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oops, just looked up my appartment online, I deffinitely picked too big there

so

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 3

MOBILITY 1.5

SHELTER 4

GOODS/SERVICES 4.9

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13

where I returned the goods option back to normal

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:23									#50
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 2.3 planets.

Category
global hectares

Food 1.6

Mobility 0.6

Shelter 0.9

Goods/Services 1

Total Footprint 4.1
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 9.7 global hectares per person.




Worldwide, there exist 1.8 biologically productive global hectares per person.

	06-09-2002 08:25									#51
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I ahve a hard time seeing the low numbers everyone gets for things

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 08:26									#52
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On Boris's version: 10 acres or 2.4 planets

	06-09-2002 08:26									#53
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(well except for food, where I have one of the lower numbers)

Jon Miller

	06-09-2002 09:21									#54
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 4.2 planets.

Category
global hectares

Food 3.3

Mobility 1

Shelter 1.1

Goods/Services 2.2

Total Footprint 7.6
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 8.8 global hectares per person.




Worldwide, there exist 1.8 biologically productive global hectares per person.

	06-09-2002 09:23									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I agree. From a scientific stand point this test is designed to shock people and not to be accurate. The numbers are inflated. Plus it didn't take into account heating energy; I live in southern California and almost never use the heater or airconditioner (I love that ocean breeze ) so wouldn't an ice bound canuk consume more then the quiz let's on?

They do take that into account. That's why they asked yo what city your city's weather most resembled.

I got hit hard on the fact that I needs my meat.

	06-09-2002 11:20									#56
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quote: CATEGORY ACRES FOOD 6.9 MOBILITY 8.6 SHELTER 7.2 GOODS/SERVICES 14.3 TOTAL FOOTPRINT 37 IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON. WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON. IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 8.3 PLANETS.

YES -- SCORE!!!

	06-09-2002 12:11									#57
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara We consumed a lot less in Chicago than we do here. Air conditioning is mandatory here. We don't have public transportation, and because we are here we fly occasionally (back to Chicago). Imagine how different a different country makes it.

No need to imagine; I'll tell you!

In Turkey, I have a footprint of 6.7 and need 3.7 planets
In the US, I had a footprint of 11.3 and needed 6.3 planets

The biggest factors were (1) I don't drive in Turkey, (2) I eat less meat and way less processed food here, because it simply isn't available and/or cost a fortune, and (3) I moved from my 300-sq.-meter, 5 bedroom house in the States to an 80-sq.meter apartment here. The Turkish score would doubtless be lower if I weren't spending more time on airplanes.

Still, I'm clearly a pig. I blame society.

	06-09-2002 14:33									#58
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Hey, I got 0 for my food consumption. Cool!

Food
Mobility 0.9
Shelter 0.6
Goods/Services 1.5
Total Footprint 3

	06-09-2002 15:34									#59
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 2.1 planets.
Food 1.5
Mobility 0
Shelter 1.1
Goods/Services 1.2
Total Footprint 3.8
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 4.8 global hectares per person.

	06-09-2002 15:38									#60
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Took the test two times: One for the status before my father's death (more people in the house and I didn't drive) and one for current status. The extra space makes a much larger difference than driving.

Before

quote: 1.5 planets. Food 0.9 Mobility 0 Shelter 0.7 Goods/Services 1.1 Total Footprint 2.7

Now:

quote: 2.1 planets Food 0.9 Mobility 0.1 Shelter 1 Goods/Services 1.7 Total Footprint 3.7

Greece avg: 5.1