10-09-2002 08:56									#31
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The new box is better then the old box because it at least has a few interesting tidbits in the background. The old box was just so bland; a monochrome map of east Asia. What was exciting about that?

	10-09-2002 12:09									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew_Jay Hey that castle is that one by that . . . guy.

Neuschwanstein Castle, built by King Ludwig II of Bavaria between 1869 and 1886. It's in Germany. Walt Disney built a similar version of it in his Disney theme parks. They're in Florida, California, France, Japan and probably somewhere else right near you soon enough. Bleh.

Anyway, I couldn't help but notice the frigate stalking that poor, defenseless submarine on the cover of the new box:

"Cap'n! That old, wooden, sail-powered frigate's cannonball took the tip off our periscope! If we dive, we'll fill up with water and sink!"

"Well, guess we'd better shut down the nuclear reactor and scuttle the sub, boys. I'll go down with the ship; you report our failure to sink an 18th century sailing vessel back to the Admiral."

"Aye, aye, Cap'n!"

	10-09-2002 12:25									#33
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Seeing the new art and knowing that "Unreal Tournament" also is going to be published at about the same time, I had a great idea - why not go hand in hand to build a multiplayer "Tournament" brand that can be easily recognized
across the Infogrames line of great multiplayer titles? The titles even could benefit from the great reputation of each other!

Attached you find a quick design suggestion ;-)

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	10-09-2002 14:13									#34
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really like the new box art, I prefer the more interesting look to the boring ones.

very good artwork

	10-09-2002 16:54									#35
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@ ColdFever

I guess that the guy on the right side of the box is the futuristic version of Genghis...

	10-09-2002 20:45									#36
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quote: Originally posted by d_dudy does anyone suppose the new box art means the world map won't be included??? yeah, i just mentioned that because i was disapointed that they couldn't get that in the first game, but i'm looking forward to ptw. box art looks kinda aoe though, don't ya think? i think the first one suited civ's subtle class more, like the civ 3 box.

Yes very Age like I think too. Exept for the pyramids..

	10-09-2002 20:49									#37
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quote: Originally posted by ColdFever Seeing the new art and knowing that "Unreal Tournament" also is going to be published at about the same time, I had a great idea - why not go hand in hand to build a multiplayer "Tournament" brand that can be easily recognized across the Infogrames line of great multiplayer titles? The titles even could benefit from the great reputation of each other! Attached you find a quick design suggestion ;-)

Sid looks happy whatever he is doing..

	11-09-2002 17:21									#38
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That is one ugly box. Now I'll have to mail order it so as not to be seen carrying it around.

I thought the original was a bit more sleek and sophisticated. The new one looks like a too cartoony. So call me a box snob.

	11-09-2002 17:47									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie I thought the original was a bit more sleek and sophisticated. The new one looks like a too cartoony.

Well... the box art for Civ3 looks also too much cartoony. Don't get me wrong, I like cartoons, but they just don't fit into a Civ game

	11-09-2002 18:10									#40
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I really don't care as it'll be in the trash can after the disc is successfully installed.

	11-09-2002 22:32									#41
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm I really don't care as it'll be in the trash can after the disc is successfully installed.

Funny, I rarely throw my game boxes away... I had the Civ2 box until recently, but then I needed some space on the shelves and I had to throw it away. Maybe I'm a little freak.

	12-09-2002 00:42									#42
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i keep boxes until someone is clearing up and throws it away.

am i the only person who thinks that box looks really cool?

or am i just a civ-freak?

	12-09-2002 01:18									#43
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 am i the only person who thinks that box looks really cool?

Which one? The civ3 box, the old PTW box or the new one?

	12-09-2002 01:38									#44
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I liked the old PtW box better.

	12-09-2002 09:43									#45
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quote: am i the only person who thinks that box looks really cool?

nope, game boxes are cool, 10's of years from now you will see a game box you played when you were 10, 20, whatever, and it'll bring back great memories.

I have collected jpg's of all the old games I used to play and burned them to cd. I have a bout 30 of them, but i'd love to get the rest.

And that's another thing that is great about games that get old, they get harder and harder to find, which makes their value for it go higher.

Boxes should never die, or games become what the music industry is today - constant brainwashing crap

	12-09-2002 09:47									#46
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- which is another reason I like the more interesting boxes more than the sophisticated ones - it's something to look at, like a where's wally book. Where as bland ones are only good for a few seconds.

	12-09-2002 09:58									#47
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I can never bring myself to throw away computer game boxes or manuals. I'm not exactly sure why.

	12-09-2002 15:15									#48
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Well it's a typical Civ-box (showing different stages of history). I like the covers of the whole series. This way you see the development of mankind in one picture. It's impressive. Perhaps I will buy the ad-on just for the cover . Civ III alone against the AI provides only medium fun hopefully it would be better in endless multiplayer duels to see who is the best Civer in the world.

	12-09-2002 20:03									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie That is one ugly box. Now I'll have to mail order it so as not to be seen carrying it around. I thought the original was a bit more sleek and sophisticated. The new one looks like a too cartoony. So call me a box snob.

I agree with you, but I must admit that all the Civ III game concept is steering away from a group of player who loved a Civ1/2 style, to a group of people who feel more actracted from a different game style, more like Age of Kings

	12-09-2002 21:52									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith I agree with you, but I must admit that all the Civ III game concept is steering away from a group of player who loved a Civ1/2 style, to a group of people who feel more actracted from a different game style, more like Age of Kings

Finally someone was able to tell the actual reason for the new box... Congrats, Admiral.

	12-09-2002 22:10									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Finally someone was able to tell the actual reason for the new box... Congrats, Admiral.

I kind of thought it was an attempt at appealing to a "different" audience, but couldn't think of a way of expressing the thought that wouldn't insult someone.

	12-09-2002 22:16									#52
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I, for one, would not feel offended.

	12-09-2002 23:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Funny, I rarely throw my game boxes away... I had the Civ2 box until recently, but then I needed some space on the shelves and I had to throw it away. Maybe I'm a little freak.

I still have my Warcraft II box.

	12-09-2002 23:55									#54
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ugh. i have to agree, the original box was tasteful, clean, and elegant.

this new one is to brash, too noisy, too busy.

give me royal purple and a globe, bitte.

	15-09-2002 22:28									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm Funny, I rarely throw my game boxes away... I had the Civ2 box until recently, but then I needed some space on the shelves and I had to throw it away. Maybe I'm a little freak.

Nope, I'd say you're normal. (At least from my perspective). I've still got game boxes from the 1980's (Even a few of the old Commodore-64 flat boxes from EA - e.g. Bard's Tale, Archon, etc.)

	15-09-2002 22:30									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Barchan Neuschwanstein Castle, built by King Ludwig II of Bavaria between 1869 and 1886. It's in Germany. Walt Disney built a similar version of it in his Disney theme parks. They're in Florida, California, France, Japan and probably somewhere else right near you soon enough. Bleh. Anyway, I couldn't help but notice the frigate stalking that poor, defenseless submarine on the cover of the new box: "Cap'n! That old, wooden, sail-powered frigate's cannonball took the tip off our periscope! If we dive, we'll fill up with water and sink!" "Well, guess we'd better shut down the nuclear reactor and scuttle the sub, boys. I'll go down with the ship; you report our failure to sink an 18th century sailing vessel back to the Admiral." "Aye, aye, Cap'n!"

Nicely done.

	16-09-2002 00:19									#57
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Yes, it's a typical 'show the evolution of civilization' boxart, and I like it better than the old version. The little globe-looking thingy for the 'O' in "World" looked odd to me, and I'm glad they changed it. That and the old box was just too bland, not enough appeal, just a purple globe and the title.

	18-09-2002 18:00									#58
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Wow, the box art is great .




Does this mean we've burned out on all the speculations about how (whether) the game will be any good out of the box?

	19-09-2002 02:34									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Alexnm I, for one, would not feel offended.

Surely I hope my post was not offensive to anyone! It simply was the same note most people here used to write, to explain the gameplay and rules difference between Civ II / SMAC and Civ III.

Age of King is not my cup of tea, but I don't think that people that play it are wrong! Some friends of mine used to play it and one is also a better Civ II player than me

	19-09-2002 02:37									#60
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Does this mean we've burned out on all the speculations about how (whether) the game will be any good out of the box?

Sell the box and the job is half done, isn't it?