15-09-2002 05:46									#31
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I no longer put religious as my top trait. That is because if I am play a military race, I will only shift govs once or twice at the most. 129f did make commerical a much better trait than it was.

	16-09-2002 21:29									#32
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There was a pretty spirited debate over which was #1 - Religious or Industrious. I (and others) argued for Religious, while Velocyrix (and others )argued for Industrious. When the dust settled, Industrious had won. Not by a helluva lot, mind you

Militaristic CAN be the #1 trait if you use it correctly and are blessed with a bit of luck. I typically play militaristic civs, usually combining mil with either religious or industrious.

Scientific is ok, but generally accepted to be a 2nd-tier trait. It can be more useful for a builder to gain or extend a tech lead in a close race. The cheap science buildings are nice, of course.

Commercial, with the 1.29 boost, is a solid trait, but also 2nd-tier. On maps with lots of open land, combined with industrious (France), I could see it being pretty powerful over time.

Expansionist can either rock or suck. In my experience, it mostly sucks.

-Arrian

	16-09-2002 22:05									#33
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playing japs now, after my 1st 3 leaders became armies, have rush built 4 wonders with the next. if u kick @ss, mil is hard to beat! you get it all. just disable domination victory if you want to conquer every last square inch of real estate - did not get that and frustrated to win with domination in my recent germanic tromp. crap!

	16-09-2002 22:33									#34
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Arrian, has put my sentiments in his post. I do long for Ind workers when I do not have them, but I like Mil and don't always want to play Rome. I never cared for Expansion at all. Yes I have read all of the arguements and they don't fly. I see very litle evidence that the AI will do a good job of getting to the goody huts that are in my area, I can get them witout a scout. Improved chance to get things is not going to make the game. Leaders can make a game so much easier. How many wonders can you get in the first two eras wihtout them at say Emp, forget Deity. If you play at warlord, then all traits are just fine.