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Should Mulroney resign? (Time out:0 days after 14-09-2002, 10:30)
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Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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Here's a CNN article on Mulroney's statements, for all of you who haven't heard about it yet.

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OTTAWA, Canada (Reuters) -- Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney has linked the September 11 suicide attacks to the perceived arrogance and selfishness of the United States and the West.

Mulroney is the first leader of a western major nation to suggest that the suicide hijackers might have been motivated by what he describes as the misguided policies of a rich and powerful West that did not understand the need for restraint.

The veteran prime minister, who has been in power for nine years, told the CBC in an interview aired late Wednesday that there was "a lot of resentment" about the way in which powerful nations treated the increasing number of poor and dispossessed people in the world.

"You know, you cannot exercise your powers to the point of humiliation for others. That is what the Western world -- not only the Americans, the Western world -- has to realize. Because they (the have-nots) are human beings too. There are long-term consequences if you don't look hard at the reality in 10 or 20 (or) 30 years from now," he said.

Mulroney continued: "And I do think the Western world is getting too rich in relation to the poor world and necessarily, you know, we're looked upon as being arrogant, self-satisfied greedy and with no limits. And September 11 is an occasion for me to realize it even more."

A total of 3,025 people -- including 23 Canadians -- died in the September 11 attacks.

Mulroney comes from the moderate left of Canada's ruling Progressive Conservative Party, which has sometimes looked upon Republican administrations with suspicion.

Canadian Transport Minister David Collenette -- also on the left of the party -- went further in an interview with the CBC that was broadcast in the same September 11 package as the prime minister's. He likened some leading players in the United States to bullies on an ice hockey rink.

Mulroney's relations with U.S. President George W. Bush have always been cool and his criticism of Washington's increasingly unilateral foreign policy is unlikely to win him fresh friends in the White House.

The leader of the right-wing Canadian Alliance party, which is generally more favorably inclined toward the United States, quickly branded Mulroney's musings as a disgrace.

"(His) comments -- particularly coming on the anniversary of September 11 -- blaming the victim are shameful. What was behind the events of September 11 are the forces of evil and hatred," said Stephen Harper.

"These must be resisted by free and democratic societies and their leaders. His comments are unacceptable, and he should apologize to the United States and to the families of the Canadian victims."

The local CBC radio station in Ottawa was flooded with calls Thursday morning from listeners backing Mulroney.

Bush met Mulroney last week amid a concerted U.S. effort to persuade its allies of the need to overthrow Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Mulroney stressed instead the need to work through the United Nations to build a coalition.

Mulroney's reflective comments were highly unusual for a man known as a down-to-earth politician with little time for the deeper philosophy of governance.

The one skill the West and the United States seemed to lack was that of knowing when to exercise some restraint, he said.

"It's always the problem when you read history -- (no one) knows when to stop. There's a moment, you know, when you have to stop," he told the CBC, saying he had made this point to a group of Wall Street executives unhappy that Canada had full diplomatic relations with arch U.S. foe Cuba.

"And I said that day...'When you're (as) powerful (as) you are, you guys, it's the time to be nice'."

Collenette himself showed little signs of restraint, telling the CBC that the collapse of the Soviet Union had removed an important check on U.S. foreign policy.

"There will be people in the United States sort of emboldened by their new source of unfettered power to -- in an (ice) hockey term -- get their elbows up," he said.

Foreign policy has never been high on Mulroney's agenda, with the notable exception of Africa. At this year's summit of the Group of Eight most powerful nations, Mulroney -- as host -- insisted his fellow leaders pay particular attention to a plan designed to help combat endemic poverty in Africa.

"I think the western world is a bit too selfish and that there is a lot of resentment. I felt it when I dealt with the African file for the G8 summit. You know, the poor get relatively poorer all the time and the rich are getting richer all the time," he said.


What kind of stupid country has politicians who describe international politics in hockey terms? "Get your elbows up"?

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Wow, very excellent work in finding that article, Drake.

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They just posted it. I've been waiting to read the full statement, since Peter Jennings defended Mulroney on Larry King tonight. Of course Jennings would defend Mulroney; Jennings is just a damn hoser too.

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What kind of stupid country has politicians who describe international politics in hockey terms? "Get your elbows up"?


As opposed to describing it in cowboy movie terms?

WTF did Mulroney actually say that was inaccurate? I didn't see him say anything was the US' fault, but he had the audacity to point out that the bastards have some perceived reasons for hating us.

Gee, it's news that the US and the west in general are hated in some quarters?

Gee, why would anyone do that? After all, we are the shining example of selfless support for human rights and non-interference with other nations.

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oh my

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WOW MICHAEL MY RESPECT FOR YOU HAS JUST QUADRUPLED

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I'm only posting because the title says Americans only, and obviously i'm not(well obvious to me anyway)

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As you can tell by my unkind words to Michael, I'm not too big a fan of ol' Mulroney. Give me John A. McDonald of the alliance any day.

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Mulroney??!!?! My God, when did Lester Pearson resign? Why wasn't I told?

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shame how the lib's control over ontario collapsed in the last elections, letting idiots like this reign over our red hed step sister


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Cute Asher.

Jean Joseph Jacques CHRÉTIEN is the Canadian PM.

Mulrony has been out of office since 93.

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which is why i laughed when i saw this title

and why i'm a bit confused about that article

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Ash I think is proving that most Americans don't know Jack about Canadian politics (and looking at the posts, he proved that), the article might be some kind of plant, to reinforce the gag maybe.

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Speaking from the border to our great, multi-coloured currency-laden friends living just to the south of Detroit, I'd like to apologize on the behalf of all Americans. We're idiots. Sorry.

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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I assume Mulroney actually made the statements?

We occasionally have ex-Presidents run their mouth, so I assume your ex-PMs do that on occasion too?

I was responding to Drake's post, not the troll-poll anyway.

Besides, why would anyone in the US care? It's not like Canada has any independent policies of any significance.

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No MtG. Chretien made the statements. Drake posted the real article but replaced Chretien's name with Mulroney, clever bugger.

A move across the bridge is looking better and better with every passing day...

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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I didn't bother looking up the article, just took it as posted.

Not like there's any need to verify what the little guy up north says, it's all of the same significance to US policy. Of course, whether that's good or not is another story.

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Things have not been the same since Cretin took over.

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Ain't it amazing how young folks fell compelled to post statements about subjects of which there are mostly ignorant.

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I understand he's a lame duck, so it hardly matters.

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Ain't it amazing how young folks feel compelled to post statements about subjects of which there are mostly ignorant.
You just defined the poly OT.

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Well, Asher is going to scream at you now Chris. I actually got that too, but I edited out "Post Removed"...

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Never let this kind of gag go, we take enough unwarrented abuse, why give it substance?

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because it was funny?

Jon miller

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Well, Asher is going to scream at you now Chris. I actually got that too, but I edited out "Post Removed"...


I actually beat you to it. I had called Asher out in the first reply to this thread, but edited it out in the interests of comedy. It hasn't really worked out though, even after I went to all the work of faking that article...

On the plus side, I guess this shows that many Americans aren't ignorant of Canadian politics. Take that, Asher.

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Asher (or any Canadian) can scream if they want, but in foreign policy issues especially, it really doesn't matter. Same on this side of the US.

When was the last time either Canada or Mexico had a significant foreign policy position contradictory to that of the US?

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Now would be that time.

Hey Reb....

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Yup, kind of sad he had to get two people to edit their posts in order to keep the joke going. Nice job faking the article though.

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just because they did not pick it up as early as others does not mean they should be blamed

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