08-10-2002 02:51									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni :argh: My fantasy team seems to be following the same course as the Pats...3-0 and then 3-2 =\

I feel for you, of course I'm now 3-2 also.

Good old Priest Holmes and Rich Gannon.

	08-10-2002 04:38									#62
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quote: I don't jump on and off bandwagons like yourself.

What bandwagon(s) have I jumped on or off of? I didn't pick the Patriots to win it all...

quote: What part of Vick being a 2nd year QB trying to get the kinks worked out don't you understand?

That kind of performance is inexcusable even for a 2nd-year QB working out kinks - especially for one who's expected to shoulder the load for his team. And your hypocrisy annoys the hell out of me... the Falcons are "working out the kinks" on offense, while the Bucs are trying to master their FOURTH new offensive system in FOUR years and yet after five games against mostly good teams (save Cincy) it's still deemed "horrid". Contradiction in terms, boyo.

quote: And looking over at Oakland, it seems Gruden WASN'T the offensive genius.... it's Bill Callahan.

They said the same thing about Martz - look how that one turned out, hmmm? Bill didn't have to make any changes to the system - Oakland's strides on offense are the result of workable, pre-existing personnel and playing teams with porous defenses (as a result of injuries or otherwise), neither of which Tampa has had the benefit of.

quote: Martin? Your MVP pick?

No, Holmes. Read what I said again.

	08-10-2002 04:46									#63
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quote: Originally posted by reismark while the Bucs are trying to master their FOURTH new offensive system in FOUR years and yet after five games against mostly good teams (save Cincy) it's still deemed "horrid". Contradiction in terms, boyo.

Mostly good teams?




The five teams you have played are a combined 7-16.

Take away New Orleans(who they lost to) and that drops to 3-15.

Sure, they are good teams....

	08-10-2002 06:21									#64
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Wow! That 85-yard TD was just beautiful.

	08-10-2002 06:38									#65
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Another TD drive; Packers lead 14-0. 1st quarter has been all Packers.

	08-10-2002 06:56									#66
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Favre is looking incredibly impressive! 228 yards and 3 TDs early in the 2nd quarter.

	08-10-2002 07:52									#67
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It ain't over until the fat lady sings... but it does look grim... sigh...

	08-10-2002 08:53									#68
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower GB's gonna lose

Sorry? I didn't quite catch that...

	08-10-2002 08:55									#69
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What's the score, last I heard was 31-14.

	08-10-2002 08:57									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski What's the score, last I heard was 31-14.

34-14 with Chi 3rd & 16 on GB 22

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4th & 16

	08-10-2002 08:58									#71
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Oakland 4-0
pt per game 41 avg.
Plus the 49s beat the Rams.

	08-10-2002 09:30									#72
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34-21. Oh, yeah.

	08-10-2002 09:38									#73
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The score was a lot closer than the game. It was a typical Monday Night Slaughter for the Bears.

Congrats GB... Farve was simply too much.

	08-10-2002 09:41									#74
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ugh, I hate to say it but.....

......i support 'Da Bears' more than Brett Fahv-ruh.

Ugh, there...i said it. Too bad I'm at work so I can't watch MNF...

	08-10-2002 09:44									#75
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quote: What bandwagon(s) have I jumped on or off of?

You kinda mentioned it.... the Pats. Most definetly you jumped on that one.

quote: That kind of performance is inexcusable even for a 2nd-year QB working out kinks

So I guess it was inexcusable when Farve was throwing 10 more picks than TD in his 2nd year, when Montana was getting destroyed in his 2nd year? 2nd Year for QBs is not very good, as history has shown us.

quote: Bucs are trying to master their FOURTH new offensive system in FOUR years and yet after five games against mostly good teams (save Cincy) it's still deemed "horrid".

a. What Tuberski said.

b. A QB that has only been in his 2nd year is totally incomparable to a team that has basically been together and has just gone through different offensive systems. Furthermore, the different offensive systems was just different offensive coordinators before this year. They basically ran the same offense for 3 years before this. In fact Offensive coordinator #3 was the understudy to Coordinator #2.

Sorry, doesn't work that way. And plenty of teams have been successful with different coordinators.

You have an offense that has been together for years vs. a QB led by a 2nd year QB. Reaaaly comparable .

quote: Bill didn't have to make any changes to the system - Oakland's strides on offense are the result of workable, pre-existing personnel and playing teams with porous defenses (as a result of injuries or otherwise), neither of which Tampa has had the benefit of.

Porous defenses against Tampa? Check.

And the offense was Callahan's creation, not Gruden's. I've always thought Gruden was overrated and it seems I'm right.

And yeah, the 1999 St. Louis Rams offense was a result of Martz's genius, not Vermeil's. The offense at Kansas City isn't the same one that was run at St. Louis, if you actually watch the games. The St. Louis offense was Martz all the way.

	08-10-2002 09:44									#76
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hey, did the Lions have a bye week too? My cousin is a big time Lions fan and when we were flipping channels @ my house, we didn't see any Lions game on ESPNnews.

	08-10-2002 09:47									#77
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Lions, Vikings, Seahawks, and Texans all had a bye this week.

	08-10-2002 09:48									#78
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Dang it! I wanted us to play.....even tho right now we're taking major gas...

	08-10-2002 09:50									#79
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Well, someone's got to win the Vikes-Lions game next week.

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yeah, Ming was coming up w/some good disses the last time....

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Reis:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/morningafter?id=1442183

quote: Just when you wondered if the Tampa Bay Bucs would ever throw the ball deep up the field, Brad Johnson guns one 76 yards to Keyshawn Johnson for the biggest play in a 20-6 victory at Atlanta. Nice timing, guys. The score now means that Keyshawn has two touchdown catches in the last 21 games. But, heck, Chicago middle linebacker Brian Urlacher and Browns guard Shaun O'Hara each have one touchdown grab in the same span, so Keyshawn shouldn't be gloating too much. In fact, his touchdown catch on Sunday only allowed the Tampa Bay wide receivers as a group to stay even with the team's linebacker corps in touchdowns scored. Four each. Derrick Brooks scored for the third time this season.

New offense? Seems like the same one to me.

	08-10-2002 10:23									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan yeah, Ming was coming up w/some good disses the last time....

Yep... The Bears get a week to rest up, and then get to play the Lions, and then the Vikings. So I hope the Vikes and Lions play a real TOUGH game next week and any good players get injured

	08-10-2002 15:29									#83
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quote: You kinda mentioned it.... the Pats. Most definetly you jumped on that one.

Oh COME ON. I picked them and got excited about them for ONE FREAKING GAME because I was so desperate to see St. Louis lose... I didn't pick New England for my season pick and I hardly mentioned them in my other thread (where I lauded the AFC West). Please... I'd hardly call it bandwagon jumping.

quote: So I guess it was inexcusable when Farve was throwing 10 more picks than TD in his 2nd year, when Montana was getting destroyed in his 2nd year? 2nd Year for QBs is not very good, as history has shown us.

The picks aren't what's inexcuseable... the lack of any meaningful yardage is what is. I highly doubt Farve or Montana ever had a game where they couldn't even muster 40 total yards passing...

quote: What Tuberski said.

*sighs*

New Orleans: Underrated team with good offense and strong defense. Best team we've played, so it's good that the loss came against them.
Baltimore: Still has a tough defense, and the offense seems to have waken up (and it ain't exactly happened against weak teams). Hardly a pushover.
St. Louis: Was still a "good" team when we faced them since they had Warner and the defense hadn't betrayed them. Has had chance to win every game except last one.
Atlanta: Before this, they'd had near misses against one of the toughest defenses in the league (Chicago) and Green Bay, IN Lambeau.

Conclusion: The quality of a team is not made apparant by its won-loss records. Thanks for playing, try again...

	08-10-2002 17:25									#84
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quote: I picked them and got excited about them for ONE FREAKING GAME

Bullshit. You were on them for the entire playoffs. They made you all hard.

quote: The picks aren't what's inexcuseable... the lack of any meaningful yardage is what is. I highly doubt Farve or Montana ever had a game where they couldn't even muster 40 total yards passing...

Then you don't know much about Farve or Montana. They've definetly have had less than 40 yards passing in a half (and Vick was knocked out before then).

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And as Tuberski said, the combined record of the teams faced by Tampa is abyssmal. You are living in past, assigning some sort of value to what you think some teams should be. The fact of the matter is Tampa isn't that good, no matter how much you wish it to be so.

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quote: Bullshit. You were on them for the entire playoffs. They made you all hard.

Let's go to the videotape, Bob!

Wild Card Round: Pats don't play, I pick the Steelers to win the Super Bowl
Divisional Playoffs: Pick Pats and Steelers in going with every favorite (except Rams, of course)
Conference Championships: Go down in flames picking Steelers
Super Bowl: Reluctantly pick Patriots after talk with Drake

So did I jump on a bandwagon? Maybe... but it would have been the Steelers', certainly not the Patriots. Sorry, but thanks for playing; do try again

quote: Then you don't know much about Farve or Montana. They've definetly have had less than 40 yards passing in a half (and Vick was knocked out before then).

Vick was out in the middle of the third quarter. Look at the recaps yourself.

quote: And as Tuberski said, the combined record of the teams faced by Tampa is abyssmal. You are living in past, assigning some sort of value to what you think some teams should be. The fact of the matter is Tampa isn't that good, no matter how much you wish it to be so.

Just you wait, boyo. Just you wait.

	08-10-2002 18:00									#86
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Yeah, reluctantly picked the Patriots . You are the biggest bandwagon jumper I've ever seen. Just because you pick a team doesn't mean you don't like another team. I might like the Jets, that doesn't mean I'm going to pick them to beat Miami!

quote: Vick was out in the middle of the third quarter. Look at the recaps yourself.

Whatever, doesn't diminish the fact that Montana, Farve, even Elway (though not Marino) have had less than 100 yards passing in a game.

quote: Just you wait, boyo. Just you wait.

Keep telling yourself that. You have for the past 3 years with no success.

	08-10-2002 20:10									#87
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quote: Keep telling yourself that. You have for the past 3 years with no success.

All I'll say is you said the same thing to yourself for four years with regards to the Yankees before they failed to succeed, so it'll only be so much longer before the tides turn here as well.

Man, this argument needs a mediator. Is Steve Spurrier available?

	08-10-2002 21:10									#88
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The Bucs won't get respect till they win a championship, so all that bickering is pointless.

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Favre didn't have to get me THAT many points to win.

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Yeah... he must have really racked up the points for you last night... Fortunately, I got the points I needed to win last night (assuming the scoring doesn't change again)