11-10-2002 10:43									#31
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Your post shows me as income of $606 and balance forward of $1381. Should it be $1836 or $1381? Where is the difference?

$1836. There was an error on my spreadsheet that didn't calculate some of your numbers in the final total. Sorry about that.

The Spreadsheet was fixed and it shouldn't be a problem again.
Raise my bid on R and U to $550 each

	11-10-2002 10:50									#32
	Re: Re: $Mini-Game TRADING SESSION ELEVEN (11) Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

CURRENT AUCTION STATUS

A) $450 Chartres wnw -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

B) $200 Chartres nw2 -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

C) $450 Chartres W -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

D) $200 Chartres sw2 -Jungle(1 food)
...Duddha bid $200

E) $200 Chartres nnw -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

F) $1250 Chartres NW -Grassland(2 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce)

G) $200 Chartres N -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

H) $450 Chartres S -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

I) $500 Chartres nne -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

J) $200 Chartres NE -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

K) $1250 Chartres SE -Grassland(2 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce)

L) $500 Chartres sse -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

M) $500 Chartres E -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

N) $750 Chartres se2 -Jungle w/ road & river(1 food, 2 commerce)
...UnOrthOdOx bid $750

O) $500 Timeline wnw - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...jdd2007 bid $500

P) $1000 Timeline wsw - (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $1000

Q) $750 Timeline nw2 - (2 food, 1 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $1000

R) $500 Timeline W - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $550
...jdd2007 bid $500

S) $500 Timeline sw2 - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

T) $1000 Timeline nnw - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)

U) $500 Timeline NW - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $550
...jdd2007 bid $500

V) $1500 Timeline SW - (3 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1500

W) $1500 Timeline S - (2 food, 2 shield, 2 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $2000
...adaMada bid $1900
...Nimitz bid $1800
...adaMada bid $1700
...Nimitz bid $1500

X) $1000 Timeline SE - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)

Y) $1000 Timeline E - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1000

Z) $500 Timeline ese - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 11-10-2002 at 10:58

	11-10-2002 10:54									#33
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F. $1250
G. $300
I. $550

	11-10-2002 10:56									#34
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I only bid $750 on Q. Minor, I know.

	11-10-2002 10:56									#35
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Ghengis. I was looking at I, G, and F. Can we reach an arrangement?

I won't bid on I or F if you won't bid on G.

	11-10-2002 11:00									#36
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither F. $1250 G. $300 I. $550

Fine then, $600 on I and $350 on G

	11-10-2002 11:06									#37
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G is right in the middle of the patch I wanted. Do you really need it?

	11-10-2002 11:07									#38
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither G is right in the middle of the patch I wanted. Do you really need it?

Yes it connects my tiles.

I, not so much.

	11-10-2002 11:08									#39
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Same here. Let me look.

	11-10-2002 16:39									#40
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Gazette Estates

Stockpile: 4 half shields, 4 labor, 1 horse

Production: 5 (7-2 for labor) food, 4 shield, 5 commerce
476 cash, 0 debt

Proposed transactions:

HIre 1 vassal from Kloreep @ $25
Hire 2 labor from Gaia max $120
Hire 1 labor from Timeline max $120

Sell 5 food @ $1 min
Sell 5 Commerce through shop @$1 min

Work 3 vassals and 3 half shield to build Bindery
Work 1 vassal, 1 hired labor, 1 half shield, and one shield to build Storehouse
Work 2 labor and 2 shield in paper mill
work 1 labor and one shield in Lumber Mill

Bid 750 (loan) on N
Bid $10 ea on 2 Persian Vassals.

Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 11-10-2002 at 21:02

	11-10-2002 17:50									#41
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BUILDINGS FOR RENT!!!

Need to speed up your building potential? Can't Get enough shields?

Gazette Estates has 3 slots for rent in their Lumber Mill. Turn those expensive Shields into TWO half shields, and double your building power the next turn! You provide the shield(s) and Labor, Cost: $20 per shield worked, OR 1 half shield for every 2 shields worked.

Want to increased your Commerce?

Get a little boost from your commerce by turning shields into TWO paper! Gazette Estates has two slots for rent in their Paper Mill. Increase your income potential for the next turn! You supply the shield(s) and Labor. Cost: $20 per shield worked, OR 1 paper for two shields.

	11-10-2002 18:45									#42
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx work 1 labor and one shield in workhop

	11-10-2002 19:04									#43
	Re: Re: Re: $Mini-Game TRADING SESSION ELEVEN (11) Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

CURRENT AUCTION STATUS

A) $450 Chartres wnw -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

B) $200 Chartres nw2 -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

C) $450 Chartres W -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

D) $200 Chartres sw2 -Jungle(1 food)
...Duddha bid $200

E) $200 Chartres nnw -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

F) $1250 Chartres NW -Grassland(2 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce)
b]...noyyoueither bid $1250[/b]

G) $200 Chartres N -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $350
...noyyoueither bid $300
...GhengisFarb bid $250

H) $450 Chartres S -Jungle w/ road(1 food, 1 commerce)
...Duddha bid $450

I) $500 Chartres nne -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $600
...noyyoueither bid $550
...GhengisFarb bid $500

J) $200 Chartres NE -Jungle(1 food)
...GhengisFarb bid $250

K) $1250 Chartres SE -Grassland(2 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce)

L) $500 Chartres sse -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

M) $500 Chartres E -Jungle w/ river(1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

N) $750 Chartres se2 -Jungle w/ road & river(1 food, 2 commerce)
...UnOrthOdOx bid $750

O) $500 Timeline wnw - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...jdd2007 bid $500

P) $1000 Timeline wsw - (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $1000

Q) $750 Timeline nw2 - (2 food, 1 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $750

R) $500 Timeline W - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $550
...jdd2007 bid $500

S) $500 Timeline sw2 - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500

T) $1000 Timeline nnw - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)

U) $500 Timeline NW - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $550
...jdd2007 bid $500

V) $1500 Timeline SW - (3 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1500

W) $1500 Timeline S - (2 food, 2 shield, 2 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $2000
...adaMada bid $1900
...Nimitz bid $1800
...adaMada bid $1700
...Nimitz bid $1500

X) $1000 Timeline SE - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)

Y) $1000 Timeline E - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1000

Z) $500 Timeline ese - (1 food, 1 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $500


VASSALS
Vassals for Auction:
3 Persian
UnOthrOdOx bid $10 on 2
GhengisFarb bid $5 on 3

1 French
GhengisFarb bid $5 on 1

	11-10-2002 20:49									#44
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what is my current balance?

	11-10-2002 21:02									#45
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Ghengis, I fixed that.

Keep wanting to call the lumber mill workshop for some reason..

	11-10-2002 21:06									#46
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quote: Originally posted by rendelnep what is my current balance?

(Cash $350, Debt $0)

	11-10-2002 22:33									#47
	Got spare money?

Sorry Ghengis. You want too much land. I have no choice.

G $400
I $650

	11-10-2002 22:37									#48
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Sorry Ghengis. You want too much land. I have no choice. G $400 I $650

There are several tiles not being bid on.
G $ 450
I $700

	12-10-2002 00:21									#49
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Ghengis:

When does Epistax forfeit his holdings? Is there any way for someone to put a security deposit on those?

	12-10-2002 00:23									#50
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Ghengis: When does Epistax forfeit his holdings? Is there any way for someone to put a security deposit on those?

The proposed plan was that they would be forfeit if the owner missed a debt payment which would be turn 16.

	12-10-2002 01:32									#51
	Got spare money?

code:
Turn 11.  Admin: Apocalypse
Holdings: 
     1/0/1
     1/0/1
Buildings:
     None
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+0 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      0 shields      1 commerce
Current Cash: $0   Debt: $1000
Selling:
     2 Food  @ min $40 each
     2 Comm  @ min $40 each

	12-10-2002 02:11									#52
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Gazette Estates Stockpile: 4 half shields, 4 labor, 1 horse Production: 5 (7-2 for labor) food, 4 shield, 5 commerce 476 cash, 0 debt Proposed transactions: HIre 1 vassal from Kloreep @ $25 Hire 2 labor from Gaia max $120 Hire 1 labor from Timeline max $120 Sell 5 food @ $1 min Sell 5 Commerce through shop @$1 min Work 3 vassals and 3 half shield to build Bindery Work 1 vassal, 1 hired labor, 1 half shield, and one shield to build Storehouse Work 2 labor and 2 shield in paper mill work 1 labor and one shield in Lumber Mill

Your mills are in Termina's city radius. So if you want labor for them you have to hire it from Termina.
(You can not here Temp labor form Los Angeles and expect them to commute to your convenience store in New York City aevery morning for $6 an hour. It just isn't going happen.)

Now you could hire labor from Gaia and build the Bindery IN Gaia, but that labor isn't going to walk 900 miles every morning to show up for work.

	12-10-2002 03:12									#53
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updated bids:

U $600
R $600

	12-10-2002 03:18									#54
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All of the cheap ones, ie the best for the long run, are being bid on. Most of them by you. Sorry.

B $300
E $300
J $300

/Edit. Bids withdrawn, unless someone has a problem with that.

Last edited by notyoueither on 12-10-2002 at 10:20

	12-10-2002 03:32									#55
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Bid $10 on 1 Persian vassal
Bid $10 on 1 French vassal

	12-10-2002 06:29									#56
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Estate Jonny, Turn 11
Holdings: 003a, Apolyton SW (forest, road); Termina NW2 Higher (grassland, w/road, mine, river); Gotham NNE (jungle w/ river)
Administered By: Jonny
Buildings: None
Stockpile: 0 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce, 2 vassals
Production This Turn: 4 food, 3 shields, 4 commerce
Current Cash: $797
Debt: $0

Transactions this Turn:
One food is eaten by vassals.
Sell 3 food on the open market @ $1 minimum.
Sell 1 shield on the open market @ $1 minimum.
Sell 4 commerce on the open market @ $1 minimum.
Hire 1 labor in Gaia @ $100 maximum.
Build a "retail business" in Gaia with 1 labor, 2 vassals, and 3 shields. It is a "Hardware Store."
Bid $1250 on tile K (Chartres SE) (use loan, if necessary)

Last edited by Jonny on 13-10-2002 at 23:08

	12-10-2002 08:39									#57
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Your mills are in Termina's city radius. So if you want labor for them you have to hire it from Termina. (You can not here Temp labor form Los Angeles and expect them to commute to your convenience store in New York City aevery morning for $6 an hour. It just isn't going happen.) Now you could hire labor from Gaia and build the Bindery IN Gaia, but that labor isn't going to walk 900 miles every morning to show up for work.

So basically your saying im SOL because you are hiring all the labor from Termina and I cannot outbid you.

I never saw this in the rules, frankly. They only specified that you had to use local labor to build in that local city. Using your logic, you would have to designate which area your own vassals were in because they couldn't walk across all your land holdings, or I couldn't hire Kloreep's because his holdings are not within the same city radius.

	12-10-2002 09:28									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Source for labor on estates can be vassals or city labor from any city with the brewery in its radius. For breweries in cities the labor must come from the city labor pool and/or vassals of landowners who own land within the city's radius.

That has been in the Market Assesment since the beginning but I am really at the point where I don't care anymore so do whatever you want to do............

	12-10-2002 09:38									#59
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That is under the Brewery building section of the rules.

Why would I read that I don't own a brewery.

Are you saying that is to apply to all buildings? If so, we should put it somewhere other than under breweries, and should list it as 'from any city with that BUILDING, not BREWERY, in it's radius.'

I want to play by the rules, I just don't understand all of them as I didn't write them.

	12-10-2002 10:22									#60
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OK Ghengis. I have withdrawn my bids on B, E, and J. See above. Unless someone has a problem with that.

However, I have a question. There are 26 tiles up for grabs. You are bidding on 13 of them. Do you feel that is an equitable distribution?