29-11-2002 08:47									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson In my dungeons.

What a nice Catholic you are- torturing dogs and held people who fight for rights of the animals in your dungeon. Keep up the good work.

	29-11-2002 17:58									#32
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I will!

	30-11-2002 05:09									#33
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Man, the purpose of germany is to shred people with those PANzers. And for shure they can win a cultural victory. I bet when they park their tanks on everybody´s cities and demand for cultural aknowledge everybody will!
Ah ! I just love diplomacy!

	01-12-2002 08:26									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I will!

See you in hell then. And let's stop this threadjack.

	02-12-2002 19:05									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Serb See you in hell then. And let's stop this threadjack.

Why?

	09-12-2002 06:01									#36
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I always play as the germans so I can tell.. everybody hates them as they're better than everyone else

	10-12-2002 10:56									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Why?

Because everybody else disscus here strategy for Germans, not your atrocities over your dog.

	12-12-2002 19:27									#38
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OK.
The obvious sollution would be not to start it.

	24-12-2002 11:04									#39
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I love the Germans, I play them more than anyone else. It's the Panzers. Come on, they're PANZERS for crying out loud. I'll pick the Germans for simply the fact that I know I wont ever see Bismark and his Panzers facing me.

For Panzers, I think its the extra movement rate. With tanks, I find I still use Cavalry a little bit to get that extra bit of range into enemy territory, but with Panzers, I get the range and the splat that the enemy makes when I run right over them.

	03-02-2003 03:27									#40
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Other civs also seem to hate it when you just steamroll other civs for no other reason except you need the space.
But then I have never been able to get other civs to like me. Maybe it's because I am usually ahead in techs.
And I really don't like fighting against the new Mideval Infantry. They can take down Cavalry, for heaven's sake!

	03-02-2003 06:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf just like in real life eh

I will say this again, FRANCE WAS THE AGREESOR IN EVERY WAR EXCEPT WWII, QUIT BASHING THE GERMANS!!!

	03-02-2003 07:19									#42
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Yeah, BASH THE FRENCH!

	03-02-2003 10:10									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I will say this again, FRANCE WAS THE AGREESOR IN EVERY WAR EXCEPT WWII, QUIT BASHING THE GERMANS!!!

OK, I agree the German-bashing gets a little out of hand (on more than just this board… as does French-bashing), but you have to admit (A) WWII was a doozy and (B) it was more recent and hence fresher in people's memories.

Considering how much bad lip passes between the English and the French or the Norwegians and the Swedes or the Serbs and Croats or… well I'm sure the German bashing will die down in a few thousand years, give or take a century. It is unfortunate that human being are so… human.

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Yes, the British have a few reasons to distrust the French .

	05-02-2003 13:09									#45
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quote: Originally posted by HAND Yes, the British have a few reasons to distrust the French .

I can accept English doing that (not understand, but accept), but what blows my mind is when Americans do it. I mean the French practically handed us our independence on a freakin' silver platter. French philosophers helped provide some inspiration to our founding fathers. Cripes, they gave us the Statue of Liberty. Oh yeah, and they sold us Louisiana dirt cheap.

The way I figure it, when we liberated France in WWII, we owed 'em one by that point.

	05-02-2003 15:46									#46
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French-bashing aside, I notice that the French don't exactly have a high opinion of America. Maybe it's bitterness over the fact that we saved their butts in both World Wars. Maybe it's because New York eclipsed Paris as cultural center of the world. Maybe it's bitterness over Napoleon's decision to sell us Louisiana. I don't think we'll ever know.
Maybe all this France-bashing is just a case of turnabout being fair play...

	06-02-2003 15:00									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Centauri18 French-bashing aside, I notice that the French don't exactly have a high opinion of America. Maybe it's bitterness over the fact that we saved their butts in both World Wars. Maybe it's because New York eclipsed Paris as cultural center of the world. Maybe it's bitterness over Napoleon's decision to sell us Louisiana. I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe all this France-bashing is just a case of turnabout being fair play...

You can certainly lay down a chicken-and-the-egg argument about the insults. I find it incredulous from our side because we're essentially perpetuating a cultural fragment that comes not from the modern ally-England, but from the old England-the-oppressor. Given the pecularities of our revolution, I have a hard time understanding anti-French sentiment.

PS—"Cultural center of the world"? Which world? Let's see… movie industry: west coast; music industry; west coast; best art galleries: Europe; best restaurants: Europe or Asia depending on culinary preferences; education: other parts of New England; symphony orch./opera: very good quality, but hardly the center of the classical world.

Culturally speaking, the only thing I can think of that's centered in New York are cheesy musicals and really kick-@$$ delis. New York is the biggest, busiest, most dynamic metropolis on the planet but I gotta disagree with "cultural center of the world."

	06-02-2003 15:38									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I will say this again, FRANCE WAS THE AGREESOR IN EVERY WAR EXCEPT WWII, QUIT BASHING THE GERMANS!!!

The Germans were the agressors of World War II, World War I is a bit more complicated. And the only other war I can think of is the 1871 war (actually that was before there was a Germany). Unless you take an alternative position of what is Germany, you cannot defend your thesis.

	11-02-2003 11:29									#49
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I use the Germans nearly every game, and I have created a fairly strong strategy. The most important thing to do with the Germans in to use the early advantages that you get with Archers/Spearmen/Cheap Barracks. To have a strong start, create 2 to four cities, and make sure that the first thing that you build in them is a barracks. Use your worker to connect each city with roads.

Berlin can build a barracks and spearman usually before it is able to produce a settler. What I do with Berlin is:
Barracks-Spearman-Warrior-Settler-Spearman-Settler-Spearman. Use the warrior to explore/protect your settler. When your new cities are built use Berlin to create the Spearmen to defend them. By the time you have four defended cities with barracks, start to create archers. Search out your nearest rival ( they never seem to be very far away) and ram your archers down their throat. By conquering your nearest neighbor you will have enough space to spread out and compete against the expansionist civs. Continue to expand modestly throughout the early parts of the game, but keep in mind which Civs have early game UUs. Those civs can cause some trouble.

Germany's scienctific trait allows it to build science buildings to remain competative in the culture/tech race, but I usuaslly find it necessary to conquer a neighbor or two using knights/cavalry because, as has been stated, the other civs are never too friendly with the Germans.
I usually fall behind in the tech race until about halfway through the industrial age, where the cheap universities help pull me back into the race. I usually miss the early wonders, except for the GL and Leo's Workshop, wo which I strive to get. Rush to get the Hoover Dam, because the main action is about to begin.

The Panzer is incredible as long as you aren't fighting Mechanical Infantry. No industrial rival can withstand the Blitz for long. Also, if you haven't already triggered the golden age, the late industrial Golden age is awesome. 15-20 cities producing Panzers every 2-3 turns creates a very formidable force. I always win by conquest or, if I don't feel like transporting a huge army across the sea, by space race. With Germany you are almost guaranteed a victory if you reach the late industrial age, as long as you keep your infrastructure up, have expanded a bit through earlier wars, and your opponents haven't discovered Computers yet.

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quote: Originally posted by Underseer Culturally speaking, the only thing I can think of that's centered in New York are cheesy musicals and really kick-@$$ delis. New York is the biggest, busiest, most dynamic metropolis on the planet but I gotta disagree with "cultural center of the world."

You forgot about MTV