18-10-2002 05:39									#31
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MP is mostly rushing... and rushing doesn't cohere with building and diplomatic strategy.

so basicly, we builders have to change strategy.

btw: nukers too... there won't be many games which get that far , so king of apes won't get to use his evil wrath

	18-10-2002 06:17									#32
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For me it depends on my mood! If I'm wanting to do a "let's replicate history, but get it right this time!" type of game, then I try and play within my ethical and politcal framework (peaceful diplomacy and growth, helping poor, disadvantaged nations, switching to democracy and even Democratic Socialism when I have the chance-that kind of thing!)
Other times, I just want to have a fun world-conquering, war-monger game! In these games, all of my politics and ethics go out the wimdow. When that happens, look out world 'cause the nukes are going to start flying and, where there's nukes, my tanks and radar artillery are not too far behind .
Sometimes, being a ruthless, domineering bastard can just be TOO MUCH FUN-but, hey, no-ones getting hurt!

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	18-10-2002 09:49									#33
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IRL I value peace, tolerance, the environment and other such lefty stuff.

In game, anything goes. Razing, nuking, backstabbing, building my mighty empire on the crushed corpses of the vanquished weak...it's all good.

	18-10-2002 14:57									#34
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Nope. My politics do not enter into game-play descisions. I don't hesistate to use nukes if I feel its critical to me winning the game. I'm not ashamed to suprress my people by switching to communism during WW or just to increase my treasury for a few turns.

	18-10-2002 15:56									#35
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if in real life you were a leftwing peacenik and you followed taht in ypur games, you might get bored pretty quick

	18-10-2002 16:48									#36
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Athitis, watch out for those allies, they may do as they do in real life and back stab you.

I believe we will all make a list of hatred enemies and trustworty friends as we play multyplayer games in PtW. Personally, I am not going to backstab anyone-it is better to make ur self and ur demands clear, than sneak attacking.

Hey, I like Communism and nukes too, it is just my gaming style doesn't pay much attention to these valuable "tools".

Mp will probabily change my gaming style to a bit more aggresive and strategical, but a builder is always a builder -Or so they say! As for our warmongering friends, I am certainly going to be a hell hole for them! Muhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring it on!

	18-10-2002 22:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus Talking about politics there was a sketch I saw years ago on the Alexae Sayle Show where he said that voting in an election was as futile as sticking your head in a bucket of something nasty. The next scene was a man standing on his hands with his head in a bucket,it was black and white and made to look like an old photo and Alexae says "weve always been staunch creosote in our family in fact my grandfather stood with his head a bucket of coaltar for thirty years" Then it skips to an exit poll outside a polling station in an election where the choices are Creosote,Whitewash,Horseshit or used engine oil,anyway this bloke comes out dripping in whitewash and the girl with the microphone gets him in front of the camera and asks which way he voted,he says to her in a very British middle class snooty way "young lady thats between me and the bucket"

ROFL

	19-10-2002 00:30									#38
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Depends on what tribe I play. If I play as a militaristic trib, I'm a warmongerer. If Industirous, I build. I have no problems with using nukes because in one of my games, I fought against Xerxes to hell and back until 1878, when I finally got a stock of nukes. Every Persian city was bombed, bombed again, and bombed a third time until the tanks and infantry rolled in and razed all the cities. The other two civilization filed protests, but we cooperated unti I won the space race victory. When I think about it, it all started when he invaded my territory with a worker.

I can imagin what my MP reputation is going to be when PTW comes out.

	19-10-2002 03:32									#39
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Out of curiousity, why is Xerxes such a jerk? He alone is the one guy I have issues with. Bismarck is ok (as AI, when I'm him I'm a real overbearing imperialist), and I can deal with Catherine. Usually, once I am ravaging the lands of Persia, I hit Babylon for their intellectual arrogance (Oh, really, so you do have Space Flight, hm? Repeat that to my 60 MA's outside your capital, please).

And who does not enjoy building an empire out of the backwards Zulu state?

	19-10-2002 11:19									#40
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The one thing that strikes me as puzzling is the fact that civ3 values too much combat and war and there are not so many incentives for a builder to play his preferred type of game.

If you're a warmonger, you surely will have lots of fun.

If you're a builder, the game is fun for a while, then it becomes boring. Move worker, move worker, hi cathy, move worker, hi monte, move worker, another hospital is ready. For a builder game to be really fun, you should have an in-depth economic and cultural simulation. Alas, that is simply impossible given the mechanics of the game.

	19-10-2002 11:33									#41
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I try not to declare war. That's about my only rule!

In my last game I got bored and built 5 nuclear subs and 15 tactical nukes (I modded the subs to carry 2 each) and parked them outside strategic Aztec cities on the other side of the continent (they were the only other civ left from the original 16 and about my size, a bit bigger).

Then they declare war on me, raze two cities and capture Zimbabwe (which had Hoover, glad they didn't raze it). I took back Zimbabwe and retaliated with the 10 sub-nukes, razed a coastal city with marines (carrier and BB support, plus it had no mech inf), nuked 5 more cities near my border with the other tac nukes and their three main inland cities with my ICBM's.

They had 4 tactical nukes, but didn't use them against me on their next turn. Even if they did, they would only reach by border cities whereas my subs where strategically positioned next to their core.

I was watching The American President on TV and heard a line which I think describes it well: "Proportional responce".

So back to the topic: this was past 2050 and I wouldn't dare to take such an action if I didn't plan on quiting in a few turns, which I did with the confidence of knowing I had dealt a severe blow to another Civ with my weapons of mass destruction!

	19-10-2002 12:03									#42
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Geez, all you peaceful guys make me feel like i'm evil. IRL i'm a Republican, and no i'm not all war, I just don't believe playing around when theres a more direct solution to a problem. And i've always prefered tax cuts rather then raising taxes, but lets not get into a political discussion, heh.

Ingame I don't have any restrictions though, backstab an ally, wage war on the world, and slave labor. Of course, i'll usually build up first, keeping my neighbors happy while I gather my forces. I once placed tanks near every American city after getting an alliance/rop with them, then proceeded to nuke each one of them for a quick conquest. My only reason? Japan was devouring Greece and even after my annexing India I felt I needed a bit more to be safe, since we were the two superpowers. Was lots of fun. I find if I play builder too long the AI thinks it can push me around, and then I need to wage war on the world to prove them wrong. Don't blame me, blame the AI.

Of course, i'm planning invasions of the AI as I negotiate pacts with them, maybe they can sense evil. Its always suprising to see an AI backstab me when I was 10 turns away from doing it to them. Like India coming through England to attack my conquered German lands. England for allowing them passage, and then India for even attacking me. I had planned to invade England once my forces were gathered, bribing India to attack them from the other side. But thats what makes it more fun, heh. Oh, and the civ I usually play as is either China or ocassionaly Persia.

	19-10-2002 15:48									#43
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NOTE: I'm British

Well, only thing i noticed is that i always kick the **** out of Germany and France (and spain when PTW comes out!).
And i prefer to be on an island.

	19-10-2002 23:47									#44
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This is the extent of 'political' actions on my game.

Organising an alliance to kill the French

"Raise your hands if you hate the French!"

Or an alliance to send the Americans to hell.

"I'm sorry, but one of your forefathers said something and he damned the lot of you."

	20-10-2002 01:47									#45
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interesting...
i try to keep at war, because u can expand very rapidly and increase ur score. (but i hate bush)so my ideal type of gov. is communism.however when im not at war democracy is the sweetest of them all.

	20-10-2002 04:20									#46
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Absolutely not. I'm a Republican. (not extreme, not moderate, sort of a "regular" Republican.) I play like a lefty, only I'm a bit of a hawk, which I am in the game as well.

I hate pollution with a passion. No pollution lasts multiple turns in my empire. Mostly its cause its orange. I can't stand the orange. I create random wildlife preserves too.

I always am borrowing money to do big projects, and I help those downtrodden cities on the outskirts and give them improvements.

I also give techs to the loser civs.

	20-10-2002 04:57									#47
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yeah, i do that, Germany was in a big war once, and at the end of the war it looked kinda bad, and i wanted to have a big war with them later, so i started to fund them, i was giving them like 300gpt so they could help them selves!

I like to create some forests around my empires, i just think irrigation looks so damn horrible! I wish they'd make it look like Farm land/fields. Would look so much nicer, and would look alot better when i have my Battle of Britain style airwars!

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	20-10-2002 05:23									#48
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Hazie, thanks for the post, now I know what name belongs to the picture.

	20-10-2002 05:28									#49
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I always give some of my unmanageable cities to the loser civs. Especially if I have an island somewhere. Especially if they are about to be wiped out.

And no I don't hate the French. In fact I find Joan irresistible and she's always my friend. Same with Cleo.

I never pillage improvements because I never raze cities. I razed a city once but then I re-loaded and took it again and kept it because it had a harbor which made all the other cities on the continent that I was at war with happy.

I think I need to get a life

	20-10-2002 07:55									#50
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How do you handle a pop 23 or more city, if you do not raze? Bombard it to a low number? Trying to garrison troops is very risky in this spot.

	20-10-2002 08:08									#51
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Actually they never get that high. I'm usually done with war after the Industrial Age. It gets too complicated, and besides I'd have to invade another continent to do so.

The cities aren't usually larger than 12 and after the resisters are done resisting the city has starved down to about size 8.

After that the war is over. My Cavs are pretty fast

	20-10-2002 10:24									#52
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I never polute, and I feel guilty when I chop down the trees. I don't fight much unless it really is a great situation to do it. I ALWAYS keep my word. Usually, I don't fight many wars but when I do they're later on in the game and they're huge wons. Not a lot of little wars. I also have a republic for a government. I despise communism and am not warm and fuzzy w/those nations. I also always choose one computer opponent I really like and make them my ally for the game. My favorite civs are:

1. Zululand
2. Iroquois
3. Persia
4. Babylon

I hold a HUGE grudge against Russia. I also have gone a long ways back with Alexander. We've been bickering for centuries of civ 3 games. I don't know what's wrong with Persia. In many other civilization-type games, such as Age of Empires, I liked Persia the best. So I like them in civ3 also. And in my first civ3 game ever, Xerxes was the only person nice to me.

	20-10-2002 11:33									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Hail Caesar! Actually they never get that high. I'm usually done with war after the Industrial Age. It gets too complicated, and besides I'd have to invade another continent to do so. The cities aren't usually larger than 12 and after the resisters are done resisting the city has starved down to about size 8. After that the war is over. My Cavs are pretty fast

What do you mean done? You the game is won or you abandon or lay low to victory? What level? Even at Monarch they can usually get one two large civs that will have large cities for I can get to them.

	20-10-2002 12:16									#54
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 What do you mean done? You the game is won or you abandon or lay low to victory? What level? Even at Monarch they can usually get one two large civs that will have large cities for I can get to them.

Well if I'm really dominant on one continent and the game turns into move worker move other worker build hospital move galleon I might abandon because it gets really boring. But I try to win through UN or Spaceship. I play on Regent and I'm usually dominant by the middle of Industrial Age.

I don't come across cities much larger than 12 because the AI are still building hospitals. And I don't play for total military victory either.

	20-10-2002 15:48									#55
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 How do you handle a pop 23 or more city, if you do not raze? Bombard it to a low number? Trying to garrison troops is very risky in this spot.

hehe, i once bombard paris (size 26) and at the end of it all paris was size 3 by the time i had captured it!

And i had to ask Zulu what Albas name was, i seen her in Dark Angel, shes also in Idle hands and i'm never gunna get to make love to her!

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	20-10-2002 22:54									#56
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You guys are too much. I'm thinking of starting an "Open City" rule for MP. All those beautiful Parisian monuments!

Of course this rule would only be enforced by Honor System...

	20-10-2002 23:14									#57
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Ok, then I undertand why you do not see large metros. I mean you can even capture them, I have, but it can be very risky to try to hold them with say 18 resisters or more. I do it if the city is worth the risk and I can spare 20 or more units to garrison and I will start the starving immediately.

	21-10-2002 07:02									#58
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I am a VERY peaceful player. I rarely start wars and when I do they are quick and are just to secure some saltpeter or aluminum for my powerful defensive army. For me Persia, Russia, and Zululand are real pains in the butt, especially in the ancient age when I dont have the funds to have a lot of mobile defense forces (Knights, Horsemen, etc.) I never backstab anyone, but if anyone backstabs me they get a one way ticket to the grave! As for PtW, BRING IT ON YOU WARMONGERING SCUM, my Vikings shall rule all!

	21-10-2002 07:04									#59
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Viking builders hmmmmm

	21-10-2002 15:09									#60
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a question to all "very peaceful" players:
when you've got everything built in every city and your tech rate is slowing down because you've got too few cities to compensate the growing research time of the techs: what do you do? (that is, if no enemy declares war at you)

for me it's the time to expand my borders...