18-10-2002 03:09									#31
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Okay, enlighten me...

quote: Got to my mickey, found me way up the apples, put on me whistle and the bloody dog went. It was me trouble telling me to fetch the teapots

This is borderline?

quote: Ei ole ollut määrättyä 5000:n rajapyykin jälkeen; 10 000 ennen joulua olisi varmaan realistinen tavoite, se onnistuneen threadissa 19 tai 20, ja yhden threadin keski-ikä on varmaan viikko pari. MVT tulee joskus. *köh*

This is perfectly legal?

quote: Het is dat ik zo goed ben opgevoed en dat het hier inmiddels al vrijdagmorgen is en de economie morgen toch ook draaiende gehouden moet worden... kortom, morgen meer.

And this is a bannable offense?

Right. Makes sense to me now. Took some time but i finally saw the logic. Maybe it was the "gun" argument...

	18-10-2002 03:11									#32
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when I became a member, those rules didn't exist. I made various threads in dutch in the past.

and the "rules are rules" and "life isn't fair" arguments are only used cause you don't have a better argument for the decision. Still makes no sense that Finnish is allowed but other languages aren't.

	18-10-2002 03:11									#33
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Keep it up Hueij... and all it will get you is a restriction for posting in another language...

	18-10-2002 03:12									#34
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I can live with that. It's a pretty clear definition
I can enforce it too.

	18-10-2002 03:13									#35
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quote: follow the rules YOU agreed to when you became a member...

I must have overlooked this one rule way back in May '99. Stupid me, always forget to read the small print...

	18-10-2002 03:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Still makes no sense that Finnish is allowed but other languages aren't.

It only makes no sense because you don't have a clue what a grandfather clause is...

And also, one of the rules you did agree to when you became a member is to do what you are told when asked by a moderator... so don't hurt yourself too bad as you fall off your high horse...

	18-10-2002 03:14									#37
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well said Hueij

quote: And what dangerous grounds are those.

ethics. morals. things like that. you know how it goes. a diffferentation between first and second class languages violates can't be considered ethical on whatever ground, unless you happen to be fond of Hitler's idealogy.

	18-10-2002 03:16									#38
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quote: It only makes no sense because you don't have a clue what a grandfather clause is...

I started dutch threads on at least 2 occasions in the past.

quote: And also, one of the rules you did agree to when you became a member is to do what you are told when asked by a moderator

there were no OT moderators when I got here.

	18-10-2002 03:17									#39
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quote: Keep it up Hueij... and all it will get you is a restriction for posting in another language...

Hey! Some of it was in Finnish. And some of it was English (I guess)... Only one out of three ain't so bad

	18-10-2002 03:18									#40
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quote: Keep it up Hueij... and all it will get you is a restriction for posting in another language...

two words: grow up

	18-10-2002 03:19									#41
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Hmm, we've had plenty of Dutch threads in the past, they've to my knowledge never been abused to spam (well, no more than in English ) or get around the censor or anything... Although I can understand the reasoning, I find it slightly odd that it wasn't a problem before but it *is* now. Anyway, I'd be more than happy to moderate any Dutch threads that I come across or are pointed to

	18-10-2002 03:19									#42
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never mind...I'm off to bed

	18-10-2002 03:19									#43
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I think the ruling should be put in the FAQ. Until then its not in the rulebook.

It may already be in the FAQ but I did't find it.

	18-10-2002 03:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus two words: grow up

Argument won... all you have left is insults...

	18-10-2002 03:22									#45
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quote: Hmm, we've had plenty of Dutch threads in the past, they've to my knowledge never been abused to spam (well, no more than in English ) or get around the censor or anything... Although I can understand the reasoning, I find it slightly odd that it wasn't a problem before but it *is* now. Anyway, I'd be more than happy to moderate any Dutch threads that I come across or are pointed to

that works

quote: I think the ruling should be put in the FAQ. Until then its not in the rulebook. It may already be in the FAQ but I did't find it.

is that so? interesting...

	18-10-2002 03:23									#46
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quote: Argument won... all you have left is insults...

no, just advice

and all you have are threaths.

	18-10-2002 03:23									#47
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Ming, stop the spamming #doitnow#
What's the reason you post two posts in the same thread within one minute, with no-one posting in between?

Your spamming behaving is starting to become ridiculous!

You made 6 !!!! posts in this thread!
5 of them were more or less repeating your original point of view.

Pherhaps it's a good reason to put this: "Again... If you don't like the rules... go elsewhere... your choice... " and this: "You are welcome to your opinion" in your sig.

It seems like 60% of your posts contains them.

Anyway, how funny my above statement might be. (well, it's meant to be funny. if you concidered me to be serious for one moment, that might prove there's some truth in it )

I think, Ming, you're on the wrong way.
Lately you more and more start to expect every post to be a spam post. I start to grow weary of you, entering a thread only to post "Don't let this turn into a spam fest"

About the 'some people might use bad words in your dutch thread' thing, uke smiley here:

As if I want someone to mess with my thread about politics?

I'll post stuff in greek. That seems to be ok
Oh wait, I forgot, the site owner is greek and all that and it's not a democraty, and I can post in dutch in other fora How could I forget that

Now stop acting like a baby sitter #doitnow!#

	18-10-2002 03:24									#48
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In my experience, a handful of foreign language threads can actually be a good thing in the on-topic forums: it's so much easier to help people who barely speak English in their native language. I've helped people in English, German, French, Dutch, Spanish and Italian in the past, and wouldn't like to have to refrain from using any of those languages in the future if it turns out to be convenient...

	18-10-2002 03:28									#49
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Maybe we should make SD an honorairy Dutchman? And tell the *********** (Dutch word) to disallow entrance to *********(Dutch name for the Netherlands) to people called Ming?

	18-10-2002 03:31									#50
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generic exceptions in "laws" are wonderfull things

quote: The FAQ, however, is possible not to cover all the rules of the forum administration

listen, we ask people kindly not to make their own little national clubs and discuss in english
if that is so hard to accept, i'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

besides, it would be unfair for americans, english, australians, etc: they dont have a non-english language to talk to each without anyone else understanding them

	18-10-2002 03:32									#51
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Locutus... wonderful arguments, but again, not a Democracy. If you have a problem, feel free to PM the owners of this site... it is THEIR rule...

And SM... telling somebody to "grow up" is an insult... so yeah, I must have won if that's the best you could do.

	18-10-2002 03:33									#52
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and the finns?

	18-10-2002 03:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG listen, we ask people kindly not to make their own little national clubs and discuss in english if that is so hard to accept, i'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Ask people all kinds of stuff kindly, and you can dump the entire FAQ; isn't that wonderful?!

quote: besides, it would be unfair for americans, english, australians, etc: they dont have a non-english language to talk to each without anyone else understanding them

SD did mention the slang

	18-10-2002 03:35									#54
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Yeah... those lucky fins... The Grandfather Clause is something they just love.

Don't you wish you were so lucky SM...

	18-10-2002 03:38									#55
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Well, I think being unable to moderate is a big issue. For example, I will now post a sentence in Russian:

Pashol ty naxuy vsio ruski stervy

No one will be able to do something against me for that sentence, unless mods knows Russian. Same sentence in ENglish would most likely bring restriction or ban. And even if someone would send a PM to admins about such a sentence, they wouldn't be able to actually show mods what it means. That means if multi-language would be allowed people would just stat insulting each other in the opponent's language. Not to mention that if forums would become all-languages half of topics wouldnt be understandable.
However, I do think Finnish topics also should be banned because of reasons stated above, unless someone from OT mods knows Finnish...

	18-10-2002 03:38									#56
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quote: listen, we ask people kindly not to make their own little national clubs and discuss in english if that is so hard to accept, i'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Suomi threads...

All we ask is to be able to debate the current Dutch political situation on the board that we spend most of our time in because we like it here in the language we can express ourselves best in. It's not that Dutch threads will be popping up al over the place all of a sudden.

But if that is too much to ask...

	18-10-2002 03:39									#57
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I made numerous threads in dutch too....why don't they count?

	18-10-2002 03:42									#58
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Because we didn't see them... Cyber was nice enough to ask permission because he was aware of the rule... but that also brought attention to the situation.

Since it was brought up... I responded with the official Apolyton Policy as explained to me in the past.

I usually have no problem with an occasional post... as long as I don't receive a complaint about it. As far as threads go... not allowed. And since people have brought this to our attention, I'm afraid that new threads, and any old ones I find will be shut down.

I hope you are all happy with yourselves

	18-10-2002 03:43									#59
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when was this rule made up anyway?

	18-10-2002 03:45									#60
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I tend to agree with the rest here: if non-English threads are not allowed, fine. But get red of the Finnish threads as well then, for consistency's sake.

I know, I don't make the rules here and this is by no means a democracy, and I'm sure many (especially Fins) will find it childish, but if Dutch, French, Greek and German (to name a few languages that have been used a lot in the past) threads are apparently no longer allowed, then it would avoid a lot of future confusion and closing of threads (and accompanying whining) if Finnish was from now on banned as well. On top of that, it would actually make sense, which can't be a bad thing...