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New New Transactions(to fit labor demands in Termina)

Sell 3 food @ $1 min (6 eaten)
Sell 6 Commerce through Shoppe @ $1 min
Sell 4 Books Through Bookstore @ $1 min
Sell 7 Commerce @ $1 min
Buy 4 shields @ D/S
Hire 3 Labor from Gaia @ $130 Max
Hire 3 Labor from Termina @ 130 max
Hire 3 Labor in Tassagrad @ $130 Max
Hire 3 labor from Apolyton @ 130 max
Work 3 Gaia labor and 3 shields in Gaia to build bindery
Work 3 Apolyton labor using 3 half shields to build Shoppe in Apolyton
Work 3 Tassagrad labor using 1 half shield and 2 shield to build an eatery
2 Termina labor work 2 shield in paper press
1 termina labor and 2 vassal work 3 shield in lumber mill
4 vassals work 4 paper in bindery making books

	24-10-2002 22:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb 11)Kloreep (8 food, 5 shields, 6 commerce)

I produce 9 commerce:

006 Apolyton NW11 (mined bonus grass rd): 2 Commerce (road, Republic)
020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd): 2 Commerce (road, Republic)
Timeline wsw - (grass rd river): 3 Commerce (road, river, Republic)
Timeline nw2 - (grass river): 2 Commerce (river, republic)

How do I have 5 shields? Have my Timeline tiles been mined recently? (I haven't been paying attention to that like I probably should.)

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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep I produce 9 commerce: 006 Apolyton NW11 (mined bonus grass rd): 2 Commerce (road, Republic) 020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd): 2 Commerce (road, Republic) Timeline wsw - (grass rd river): 3 Commerce (road, river, Republic) Timeline nw2 - (grass river): 2 Commerce (river, republic) How do I have 5 shields? Have my Timeline tiles been mined recently? (I haven't been paying attention to that like I probably should.)

I musthave copied Timeline wsw wrong, and I missed a new road built last turn.
Apolyton nw2 (2 food, 2 shields, and 2 commerce)
Tassagrad SW (2 food, 1 shield, and 2 commerce)
Timeline wsw (3 food and 3 commerce) - irrigated
Timeline nw2 (2 food and 3 commerce) - is currently being mined
Total Production: 9 food, 3 shields, and 10 commerce)

	25-10-2002 02:14									#34
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More stuff? Woohoo! Thanks Ghenghis.
New Orders:

code:
Estate of Kloreep
Turn #: 013
Holdings: 006 Apolyton NW11 (mined bonus grass rd)
020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd)
Timeline wsw - (grass rd irr river)
Timeline nw2 - (grass river)

Stockpile: 0 food, 1 shield, 0 commerce
Vassals: 4 Persian
Production this turn: 9 food, 3 shields, 10 commerce 
Cash: $820
Debt: $0
Buildings: Shoppe in Apolyton
Storehouse on Estate
Bakery in Timeline
Lumber Mill (Timeline wsw)

Administered by: Kloreep 

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Proposed Deals: 

2 Food eaten by vassals
Sell 3 food @ $40 minimum
Sell 10 commerce @ $20 minimum (7 through shoppe, 3 on normal market)
Bid $1250 on V, Gaia E
Hire 2 labor from Termina @ $100 max
Hire 6 labor from Timeline @ $100 max
Use 3 vassals and 1 labor from Timeline to convert 4 shields to 8 halfshields in my Lumber Mill
Use 2 Termina labor and 1 vassal to build a Retail Business (Shoppe) in Termina using 3 half-shields
Use 3 labor in Timeline to build a Retail Business (Shoppe) using 3 half-shields
Use 2 labor in Timeline to convert 4 food to 8 snacks in Bakery

	25-10-2002 04:13									#35
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C) $1000 Timeline NE (2 food, 2 commerce)
I bid $1000

E) $750 Gaia wnw (1 food, 2 commerce)
I bid $750

	25-10-2002 04:13									#36
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Production:
12 Food (13-1 eaten by those rascally vassals)
2 shields
7 commerce

Deals:
Sell 12 Food at D/S
Buy 6 Shields at D/S
Sell 7 commerce at D/S

Hire 6 labor from Gaia
Use 3 Labor and 2 Vassals to build Brewery on Gaia NW
Use 3 Labor to build Shoppe in Gaia

(If I don't get all the labor I wanted the Brewery takes priority over the Shoppe)

	25-10-2002 04:17									#37
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Lord Dude's Holdings
Turn #: 13
Holdings: 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), Termina NNW Higher (irrigated grass w/ river rd), Gotham W (jungle w/ river), Gotham NW (jungle w/ river), Chartres wnw -Jungle w/ road, Chartres W -Jungle w/ road, Chartres S -Jungle w/ road, Timeline nne, Timeline SE
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce
Cash: $1054
Debt: -$0

Administered by: Duddha

Production this turn: 15 food, 4 shield, 20 commerce
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Proposed Deals:

Sell 15 of 15 food @ d/s
Sell 20 of 20 commerce @ d/s
Sell 4 of 4 shields @ d/s

	25-10-2002 04:18									#38
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Q) $750 Gaia nne (1 food, 2 commerce)
I bid $750

	25-10-2002 05:53									#39
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb There aren't any horses, that's the racetrack I built last turn. I told you a long time ago you should build a racetrack on that tile since its in 3 different cities' radii. The icons are what people have built, the stack of lumber is a Lumber Mill, the paper is a Paper Mill, the scroll is a Bindery, the racehorse is a Racetrack, and the barrel is a Brewery. The only horses in the current market all come from nye and I've offered to pay the bonuses for anyone who buys them from nye. Another good site for a racetrack is adaMada's tile between Termina and Apolyton. It would use the combined pop of both to generate proceeds.

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	25-10-2002 06:05									#40
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Estate of jdd2007
Turn: 13
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Tiles: Several
Adm by: jdd2007
Cash: $3000+
Debt: $0

Production: 12 food, 1 shields, 15 commerce

Deals:

sell 12 food @ min. $1
sell 15 commerce @ min. $2

i want to build a storehouse and any other structures that will give me $$$ in the long run. GF, if you tell me exactly what to do and where, i will pay you $200.

	25-10-2002 06:54									#41
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 i want to build a storehouse and any other structures that will give me $$$ in the long run. GF, if you tell me exactly what to do and where, i will pay you $200.

What I do is look at what cities have the most available labor and try to decide what would be useful there. I didn't build a tavern in Timeline or Gaia as I didn't have Breweries that could service them and I would rather build them wher I am the exclusive supplier so I can fleece the city for all its worth.

After turn 15 try to get a tile with wine as you can sell that anywhere in the market, it doesn't have to be in a radius like a brewery. (Cities that are connected by railroads count as one single alchohol market though)

On turn 16 it would be smart to get tiles near large cities and be those cities sole Brewery. Then the only thing you have to worry about is someone with wine trying to steal some of your market.

Try to build a shoppe or eatery and an Inn in the same city. The Inn will increase the bonus to 100% and affect all retail businesses you own in that city. (notice I build shoppes AND taverns AND inns in the same cities)

Don't be afraid to bid HIGH for vassals and/or labor because the bonus lasts forever and you only have to buy the labor to build a shoppe, etc. once. When we get more vassals bid whatever it takes to get them.

The three tiles on the image below are in Timeline and Opiadom's radius so those would be the best places to build things. We won't be able to use Opiadom's labor for another three turns though. AdaMada already has a Brewery for Timeline so you would have to compete for that market but you would have Opiadom all to yourself. A racetrack would be a good idea if we can get the players to buy horses.

	26-10-2002 06:48									#42
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MARKET STATUS UPDATE

Labor Market
Apolyton Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 2 labor @ $150 max
UnOrthOdOx is hiring 3 labor @ $130 max

Termina Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $150 max
Kloreep is hiring 2 labor @ $130 max
UnOrthOdOx is hiring 3 labor @ $100 max

Tassagrad Available Labor: 8
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $150 max
UnOrthOdOx is hiring 3 labor @ $130 max

BHQ Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $150 max

Gotham Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 6 labor @ $150 max

Chartres Available Labor: 2
GhengisFarb is hiring 2 labor @ $150 max

Timeline Available Labor: 8
adaMada is hiring 1 labor @ $100 max
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $150 max
Kloreep is hiring 6 labor @ $100 max

Gaia Available Labor: 10
GhengisFarb is hiring 2 labor @ $150 max
Jonny is hiring 1 labor @ $150 max
UnOrthOdOx is hiring 3 labor @ $100 max
=OttomusCeasar= is hiring 6 labor

Land Auction

A) $1000 Chartres NE (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Jonny bid $1500

C) $1000 Timeline NE (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $1000

E) $750 Gaia wnw (1 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $750

O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)

Q) $750 Gaia nne (1 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $750

S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

V) $1250 Gaia E (2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $1250

	26-10-2002 14:18									#43
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GF, I believe there has been an error...

Turn 12 results.
notyoueither bought tile R for $1500 (Loan)
notyoueither bought tile U for $2000
notyoueither sold 3 food @ $72
notyoueither sold 6 food @ $72 (Through Eatery)
.....(Eatery bonus 6 X $36 (50% of $72))
notyoueither sold 4 shields @ $69
notyoueither sold 2 horse @ $97 (Through Shoppe)
notyoueither sold 4 commerce @ $97 (Through Shoppe)
.....(Shoppe bonus 4 X $48 (50% of $97))
.....(Horse bonus 2 X $29 (30% of $97))
..........Total Income for Turn = -$28 (Cash $903, Debt $1500)
EATERY IN APOLYTON
SHOPPE IN APOLYTON

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Math

code:

  216 food
  432 food
  216 bonus
  276 shields
  194 horse >>>>>>> 2
  388 commerce >>>> 4
  288 bonus >>>>>>> 6 (not 4)
   58 horse bonus
 ____
 2068 income

-2000 land paid for
  931 cash start
 ____
  999
 1500 debt for land not paid for

code:

House Julian
Turn 12.

Holdings: 
     "The Mustang Ranch" - 001, Apolyton N, Grass w Horse 2/0/2
                         - 002, Apolyton NE, Grass 2/2/1
     "The Back 40" - xxx, Gotham N, Jungle w river 1/0/1
                   - xxx, Chartres NW, Grass 2/2/1
                   - xxx, Chartres N, 1/0/0
                   - xxx, Chartres NNE, Jungle w river 1/0/1

Buildings:
     Eatery in Apolyton "Mustang Sally's"
     Shoppe in Apolyton "Blessings of Ceres Fine Goods"
Stkp: 0 food    0 shields    0 commerce
Prod: 9 food    4 shields    4+2H commerce
Vassal: 1 Persian

Cash: $931
Debt: 0
Selling:
     6 Food @ DS through Eatery
     3 Food @ DS
     4 Shield @ DS
     4+2H Comm @ DS through Shoppe
Buying:
     Nothing
Construction:
     None

	26-10-2002 14:24									#44
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code:

House Julian
Turn 13.

Holdings: 
     "The Mustang Ranch" - 001, Apolyton N, Grass w Horse 2/0/2
                         - 002, Apolyton NE, Grass 2/2/1
     "The Back 40" - xxx, Gotham N, Jungle w river 1/0/1
                   - xxx, Chartres NW, Grass 2/2/1
                   - xxx, Chartres N, 1/0/0
                   - xxx, Chartres NNE, Jungle w river 1/0/1
     "Land needing Name" - xxx, Gaia NE, Grass w river 3/0/2
                         - xxx, Gaia NE2, Grass w river & Dye 3/0/4
Buildings:
     Eatery in Apolyton "Mustang Sally's"
     Shoppe in Apolyton "Blessings of Ceres Fine Goods"
Stkp:  0 food    0 shields    0 commerce
Prod: 15 food    4 shields    11 commerce
                               3 H
                               4 D
Vassal: 1 Persian

Cash: $999
Debt: $1500
Selling:
     6 Food @ DS through Eatery
     9 Food @ DS
     2 Shield @ DS
     6 Comm @ DS through Shoppe
     5 Comm @ DS
     3 Horse @ DS
     4 Dyes @ DS
Buying:
     Nothing
Construction:
     Shoppe in Timeline 2 Shield +1 Labourer +1 Vassal
     Hire 1 labour from Timeline @ $100 max

	26-10-2002 15:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither GF, I believe there has been an error... Turn 12 results. notyoueither bought tile R for $1500 (Loan) notyoueither bought tile U for $2000 notyoueither sold 3 food @ $72 notyoueither sold 6 food @ $72 (Through Eatery) .....(Eatery bonus 6 X $36 (50% of $72)) notyoueither sold 4 shields @ $69 notyoueither sold 2 horse @ $97 (Through Shoppe) notyoueither sold 4 commerce @ $97 (Through Shoppe) .....(Shoppe bonus 4 X $48 (50% of $97)) .....(Horse bonus 2 X $29 (30% of $97)) ..........Total Income for Turn = -$28 (Cash $903, Debt $1500) EATERY IN APOLYTON SHOPPE IN APOLYTON ---

So are yousaying there should be a shoppe bonus on 6 not 4 or did I miss something else?

	26-10-2002 23:51									#46
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No other problems I saw. It was late though.

	27-10-2002 00:34									#47
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NYE, are you selling any of your horses? (Think you made some offer once, but can't find it now)

Ghengis: Have there been any bids on that one horse you offered yet? Would you be willing to accept the fee at the END of this turn (after profits come in), or do we need to have the cash on hand?

-- adaMada

	27-10-2002 00:42									#48
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Yup. 3 horses for sale at DS plus horse bonus.

	27-10-2002 02:57									#49
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada NYE, are you selling any of your horses? (Think you made some offer once, but can't find it now) Ghengis: Have there been any bids on that one horse you offered yet? Would you be willing to accept the fee at the END of this turn (after profits come in), or do we need to have the cash on hand?

Nope, I want the money upfront to insure I remain impartial, as I will be rolling the "speed" of the horses.

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yup. 3 horses for sale at DS plus horse bonus.

Remember that I have offered to pay the Horse AND shoppe bonus if anyone buys his horses and announces they will race them on my racetrack next turn.

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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Nope, I want the money upfront to insure I remain impartial, as I will be rolling the "speed" of the horses. Remember that I have offered to pay the Horse AND shoppe bonus if anyone buys his horses and announces they will race them on my racetrack next turn.

Fair enough. I'll go ahead and announce my intent to join in some way for the set of races after this one, then, but won't be doing it this time (want to gather a bit of money and get myself onto solid ground first). Good luck to everyone who enters, though.

-- adaMada

	27-10-2002 03:31									#51
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MARKET CLOSED

FINAL AUCTION STATUS

Land Auction

A) $1000 Chartres NE (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Jonny bid $1500

C) $1000 Timeline NE (2 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $1000

E) $750 Gaia wnw (1 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $750

O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)

Q) $750 Gaia nne (1 food, 2 commerce)
...Duddha bid $750

S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

V) $1250 Gaia E (2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)
...Kloreep bid $1250

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 28-10-2002 at 05:49

	27-10-2002 05:31									#52
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Dunno if it's gonna matter or not (probably not), since Ghengis made a decision that seemed to be fair, especially considering that NYE wouldn't have gotten the labor), but in Timeline, my max bid was actually $130... Didn't bother to correct it before since it didn't seem to matter, but just in case it does now...

-- adaMada

	27-10-2002 10:06									#53
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You hired 1 ada? You got 1, right?

8 available. 8 hired. Cost $100.

I can't see a problem and was scratching my head over the note in GF's results.

	27-10-2002 10:09									#54
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You hired 1 ada? You got 1, right? 8 available. 8 hired. Cost $100. I can't see a problem and was scratching my head over the note in GF's results.

Kloreep altered his post on the front page, and I discovered it by pure accident. The alteration cleared up the over demand.

	27-10-2002 10:38									#55
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Looks like I'm causing a lot of trouble this session, sorry. I also want to state that the only alteration I made was an addition to my two provious posts when I posted a whole new set of orders, saying there was a new set of orders posted, and that the labor change I made (which was in its own new post as it should have been) was in those new orders.

If you read my original set of orders, you'll see I originally wanted to hire 3 labor in Termina; however, Unortho and Ghengis' labor requests combined were 4 labor in Termina, 1 over the 6 pop in the city. Since having 4 vassals allows me some flexibility with my labor, I switched around orders and hired only two labor in Termina, and one more in Timeline (which still had several free laborers at the time). So, I tried to hire 6 labor in Timeline, as my post on the first page, and my second set of orders (which I made because I had better production than I realized), state. Someone is short one labor in Timeline.

	27-10-2002 10:47									#56
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Also, I had ten commerce to sell. (And sorry about the shoppe error; I had forgotten there was a limit of 6 without an expansion.) But I know it would be a real pain to recalculate all the commerce, so I'll stockpile it.

	27-10-2002 11:13									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Also, I had ten commerce to sell. (And sorry about the shoppe error; I had forgotten there was a limit of 6 without an expansion.) But I know it would be a real pain to recalculate all the commerce, so I'll stockpile it.

notyoueither is still sitting on his 3rd horse from last turn.

Found the glitch. Kloreep had hired 2 labor from Termina, but I had followed orders for 3 labor. Once I took that 3rd labor I saw where the 6th Timeline laborer went.

Notyoueither didn't get any labor but I went ahead and allowed his vassal to build 1 shield on his retail business since the local authorities didn't notice is all the labor confusion.

Timeline is going to be a VERY competitive labor market with a Bakery, Lumbermill, Brewery, and Inn needing labor every turn.

	27-10-2002 18:21									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Timeline is going to be a VERY competitive labor market with a Bakery, Lumbermill, Brewery, and Inn needing labor every turn.

Quite likely -- which is why I'm very glad I got those vassals . Looks like they'll well be worth the one food per turn.

-- adaMada

	27-10-2002 18:27									#59
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You hired 1 ada? You got 1, right?

I think the issue is over, but just in case -- yep, only one for me .

-- adaMada

	28-10-2002 07:38									#60
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