04-01-2000 16:58									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus on 01-01-2000 01:19 PM The strange thing is, this trigger doesn't replace all settler by machine-gunners (I don't have an engineer-unit yet, so I used machine-gunners for testing purposes), but it replaces a few settlers every turn, apparently at random. Could anyone tell me what I've done wrong? I can't see why it doesn't replace all settlers at once.

You should probably NOT add one to "i" unless you DON'T kill a settler.

(i.e.:
if(is a settler)
replace it
else
add one to i
)


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	05-01-2000 02:20									#32
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Thanks, I'll try that, I hope that's it. If not, I also had a few new idea's my self. I'll let you all know what I find out.

	06-01-2000 00:37									#33
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You were right BlivetMaker, that did the trick, the trigger works now. Again, thanks a lot for that.

	07-01-2000 16:30									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus on 01-05-2000 02:37 PM You were right BlivetMaker, that did the trick, the trigger works now. Again, thanks a lot for that.

No problem. I write software for a living, and I've done something similar myself a couple of times, which is how I recognised the symptoms. What happens is:

Before:
1 Settler
2 Settler
3 Musketeer
4 Ship of the Line

Delete Settler at index 1. Notice that they all move up one index position:

1 Settler
2 Musketeer
3 Ship of the Line

Add Machine Gunner:

1 Settler
2 Musketeer
3 Ship of the Line
4 Machine Gunner

If you add 1 to your position, you skip over the Settler who *was* at position 2, until the next turn when it triggers again.


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	08-01-2000 18:40									#35
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BlivetMaker,
You're explanation wasn't really necessary because I'm a student Computer Science and, so once you pointed it out, I knew what I had done wrong (although I could hardly believe my own stupidity at first ), but thanks for that anyway (maybe someone else can learn from it).
Normally it wouldn't have mattered if the i = i + 1 was in a else-clause or not, but because I was creating and killing new units at the same time as cycling through them there was a mess-up. Had I not killed or created units but e.g. given them orders, everything would have worked fine. Had it been possible to count units in a more convential way (e.g. unit[1] is the first unit, unit[2] the second), I would have never made this mistake, but SLIC is very primitive and making mistakes like this is very easy in SLIC. Next time I'll pay better attention to this kind of thing. Again, thanx for you're help, this trigger is going to be used a lot in different variations, I can already promise that (e.g. I'm going to bring back Leonardo's Workshop).

Locutus

	09-01-2000 01:48									#36
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Why bring Leonardo's back - why not simpy re-adjust the unit costs so its not worth having old units - thats the way history shows it was done!

(NB I'm not a fan of wonders - I always switch them off anyway).

	09-01-2000 19:06									#37
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Because Skorpion59, Mark H, Dreamer and I are making a SLIC-mod (It won't be only SLIC, but most of it will) and what you're proposing has little to do with SLIC. So someone else will have to take care of that. And my vision is, wonders are a part of the game, so I won't ignore them. (Although I do sometimes turn them of as well)

Locutus

	10-01-2000 02:08									#38
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I've really got to ask this - what has anything in this to do with the original question? I keep looking at this in the vein hope some of this has anything to do with the original thread but no - it doesn't!

So back to the original thread what units are you creating or what do you want?

	10-01-2000 03:35									#39
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Morgoth,

You are right. This thread has got way off topic.

In general, I would like to see some more futuristic war units. There is a lot of WW II era units but none for later stages of the game. (Which really hampers scenario development for later periods.) I am not really thrilled with what Activision included in the game. Some of the SciFi or Futuristic Civ2 scenarios have very good units to draw from.

Crazy as this sounds, I would also like to have a unit, not ship, which can attack sea cities on its own.

Now, for me personally, I need a city perimeter type unit. Maybe an electrofied chain fence or a steel fence. If you run across something like this, I would appreciate it if you passed it my way.


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	10-01-2000 12:53									#40
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Need a rocket, that can take both airplanes and space-figthers and other space-ships down - even a Levitians in one attack.

Has to be powerfull - must only be used once (real attack, no bombard facilities).

Costs??

Something like cruise-missile. To be build at the same time as you can build the SDI-improvement.

See unittypes 1 and 6.

	10-01-2000 18:43									#41
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Morgoth,
You're right, the discussion had little to do with the original topic. My apologies go to anyone who was bothered by this. I shall now return to the topic.

I agree with Skorpion, there should be much more future units. Thanks to the mod-makers on these forums there are now plenty of Ancient, Medieval, Renaissance and Modern units, but there's a complete lack of units after the modern age. Most of the units Activision put in the game are pretty pathetic IMO. Maybe someone could make a Future Mod or something like this? I'm not very creative so it's not something I can do, but I'm sure others can make something of this. I've never played Civ2 scenarios (I didn't have an internet-connection until right before CtP came out, and when I did, I didn't know where to find Civ2-scenarios - hell, I didn't even knew they existed) so I don't know if they're any good, but I guess it's one of the few thing there are to go by. Maybe SMAC has some nice things? The advances in that game could be used for CtP, but the units are so different, because of the workshop where you can create your own units.
Well, that's my two cents.

Locutus
[This message has been edited by Locutus (edited January 10, 2000).]

	12-01-2000 18:56									#42
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I kind of like the idea of a Terminator unit, usable only if you have the AI Entity wonder. This will kind of offset the risk involved in getting this wonder.

On the other hand, imagine winning back your revolting cities when they're full of Terminators!

Other ideas gleaned from sci-fi might be:
Floating Fortress (1984) (and maybe a flying version)
Virtual Reality (you know, I never liked the sensorium as a wonder....)
Zardoz (a high-tech government, with a feudal population)
Those little robot guys in Tremors that bored through the earth and the enemy
A new wonder - Time Tunnel (can go back to a previous turn but with future tech... You'd have to have a limiting factor, though. You don't want 500 Terminators during the Ancient Age as it makes the game a bit of a rout)

Just a thought!

	15-01-2000 05:05									#43
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To all: Download the HighTech mod from the civ 2's Ultimate Civ 2 Site archives. This mod lists many futuristic units that you may be interested in.

	15-03-2000 03:12									#44
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I have some questions concerning the cattle unit.

Now, I have managed to activate that unit type on my own, muddling through teh various files and testing. So it seems to work for a human player now and is no longer called 021. But, I don't see the ai players use it, how do I change those settings. I did some modifications in the ai files for the various personality types, but either to no effect or no visible effect. So, what should I do to make the ai "raise" cattle?

On the same matter, is there any way to get the rustle function working? It might be interesting to have cattle raids occur, similar to slave raids.

And on a last note, is anyone creating more unit sprites these days? I'm not sure what can be done with units, technologies and scenarios so far, but I am considering reworking the tech tree significantly (and about tripling the number of units; get to the maximal 200). I'll have to consider some more factors before I set out to do so considering time restraints I have, but knowing whether more sprites will be available in the future would be nice. I don't think I'll even try doing my own sprites as I'm not an artist and CTP's graphic system is too much for me to get into.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Caranorn about 3 weeks into CTP and already bored to death with what it came shipped with (yes, already got some of the existing mods, but right now i want to try some things myself considering I'm not happy with the existing combat units and system).

	15-03-2000 07:35									#45
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Caranorn:

Apparently, the cattle isssue has been talked about a lot before--might want to do a search for "cow" or "cattle" for more info--before I came here, but from what I gather, the AI doesn't use them well (if at all) and the rustle thing-a-majig doesn't work at all.

As for making sprites, I think just Morgoth and Gemini are still doing that. Harlan retired and I haven't had time to learn how to do it yet....

	16-03-2000 01:29									#46
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I checked through the posts under this heading before I wrote my note, and don't recall seing an answer to my question, still, I could have missed something.

And if the ai doesn't use the cattle and it's not possible to rustle them, then I guess I might as well leave them out. The way it is now, it just gives an important edge to human players as they are cheap to build and help cities grow at a rapid rate. Not to speak of the fact you can go collect gold from barbarian villages.

Guess I'll work on my own ideas now, even if there is little chance of getting outside sprites. I'll have to test some of the less used features of the game (HP's and FP are still there, barely used but seem to work, would help prevent astronomical combat values in an extended unit set).

Caranorn

	17-03-2000 02:18									#47
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Caranorn:

Pretty much what I thought when I looked it over. I just tweaked the terrain a bit to achieve realistic values, and the AI is not bad at using the new settings--esp. with the new resources' food/prod/gold bonuses....Too bad I couldn't use the cattle sprite for a trade good. Oh well.

What sprites are you looking for?

	20-03-2000 07:44									#48
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Some sprites I could use would be: a Longbow and/or Crossbowman, a Peltast (in addition to the existing Fyrdman), a Man at Arms (essentially a dismounted knight), an Askari (mounted composite-bowman), a Harquebusier (mounted matchlock musketeer), a Turcopole (light lance medieval cavalryman), a Catapract (Roman heavy cavalryman), a Gendarme (late medieval knight) and/or a Mameluke (early medieval heavy cavalry), a Balistae and/or Catapult and/or Trebuchet, a Siege Mortar (late medieval), and some medieval ships.

As you see, this is a lot, so I don't really expect to get them as long as I am unable to do them myself. I already have at least 8 good sprites as well as a few acceptable ones from Apolyton to use for other units (actually the catapult is one of the "acceptable" but I don't like stealing even if it's from the devil). Even this list of units is already edited (I struck approximatelly every other unit I was thinking of and of course I can use the existing CTP sprites for new units).

And even if I ever get to doing these new units, it will be for a set that includes new combat values for terrain, improvements and instalations. And if I dwell into those areas, I might as well create a few new improvements and wonders, at least I should be able to make those graphics myself.

	21-03-2000 08:49									#49
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Actually, I've been looking into many of the same units (for a Aip-Specific mod: like Civ-Specific but, essentially, having groups of civs using similar units, etc.).
I have some stuff, ripped off from AoE and AoK, but there's just five facings, no animation or such; still have to add shadows and then make em into sprites...maybe just for my own use (they're not great ), but you're welcome to have a look, if you want.

	21-03-2000 12:51									#50
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In WesW's revised Medieval Mod (comming soon) there will be new sprites for a Medieval Cog and a Medieval Bombard (Early Cannon)plus an Ironclad.

I haven't done all the animations yet but the basic Sprites will be there in this pack.

If you want them earlier I can send them.

	22-03-2000 00:05									#51
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Morgoth that's good news. The cog and bombard would fit nicely into what I was thinking of.

Nordicus, yesterday I actually checked through AoE (don't have AoK yet) to capture some graphics for sprites. It's a possibility, but as I said, I hate to steal even if it's from the devil. And I'm sure you know who the devil is to a Mac user. I might also go and get a copy of PhotoShop and try muddling arround with it to make my own graphics. Till now I could get along with cheaper third party material (no alpha channel).

And by the way, my list was actually missing another light cavalry unit (simply labelled horsemen). My idea was to have units fit into various categories, light - heavy - missile cavalry and infantry(originally planned for at least 1 unit or each type per age). Naval units would also be in 3 categories, just missile replaced by transport. Just 1 category of artillery etc. The problem is obviously the need for lots of new sprites. I believe I had a total of at least 56 units from ancient to renaissance. I had done less work on modern units, but renaissance to roughly 2000 AD would have been some 70 more units. Anything beyond that would have been out of my scope. So from Ancient to Modern, some 120 sprites, meaning at least 70 new ones or so. In Civ2, that would have been a matetr of days, in CTP, I simply can't do it.

	23-03-2000 02:32									#52
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I know I'm coming in a bit late with this, however...having added the the new mods, with the cattle, I don't find any explanations for these new characters (sprites) how do I find out what they do...yeah, the catapult throws things, but what does a cow do?

thanks

	23-03-2000 05:24									#53
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Hey, sounds great, Morgoth. Yeah, feel free to send a copy of them my way. Thanks.

T.

	27-03-2000 00:32									#54
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Geez, that's weird. I replied to Morgoth's last post and it showed it underneath his--but now it's on the second page....Uh, whatever, must have been a late night.

Caranorn:
Well, both AoE and AoK's graphics can be extracted into the correct format, I think animations and all, but they are way too small. I'm going mainly from screenshots, but a few sites have avis from which one can get bigger versions. A few units I think a guy could get away with using the AoE/AoK's extracted files, just not the "people" units (unless a person does mind battling dwarfs ), maybe a few of the ballistic units....

Well, as an artist, I loathe having to "acquire" graphics from other sources, but like you said, it's not that easy to make a unit for CtP, esp. if you're limited in time or resources. And there's not a lot of people donating good units for CtP, so...

But I'm interested in the list you have. Are they mainly European units you have or do you have some from other areas?
Yeah, I had to rethink all the units due to the 200 sprite rule.
Feel free to send your list over if you want.

BH:
I've never played a game with a cow in it, so I can't say. Apparently, it's supposed to add food to your city if you have a worker on the tile it's on (?), but there were some problems with it and the AI, I guess.

	27-03-2000 19:02									#55
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Hi all,

I recently found this site and enjoyed it immensely. FInding out how much CTP can be modified has renewed my interest in the game.

I have many ideas, but I fear my uni commitments won't allow me the time to develop them myself. I thought this might be an appropriate thread to mention them in.

Some proposals:

Legions:- I don't think they get don't get the credit they deserve in CTP. I hardly ever see the AI using them. Perhaps they should come later (an earlier military tactics advance maybe? They still learn about Roman Legions at Westpoint, after all), with iron working allowing units like spearmen, swordmen, etc. Perhaps their stats could be 3/3/0/1 ? I can't imagine samurai in any numbers beating a legion.

PhotoSat:- An earlier spy sat, that can't see stealth units and has a smaller view. Maybe available with Rocketry?

Nukes:- Rename them SRAMs -Short Range Attack Missiles - (or Nuclear Cruise Missiles if you prefer) and decrease blast radius. MAke them cheaper too. Make a new unit, ICBM, That actually goes into space and has greater range. SDI could be eliminated as an Improvement and implemented as a space unit with a wide active defense. I Don't know how you would get the AI to use the latter two, however.

Oil Rig:- As a tile improvement or unit. Unit implementation might be a bit hard, but would act like cows were meant to - Etc with gold and/or production.

Misc late Modern space:- I think the game jumps into hi-tech a little fast. Maybe some primitive space units and techs?

Thats it. Feel free to shoot me down if these have been suggested before or if they aren't feasible. Thanks!

sentience

	30-03-2000 23:12									#56
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Nordicus
Sprites posted to you today.