01-11-2002 06:10									#31
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due to unforseen circumstances, i cannot manage my estate for a month. ada-mada, if you take care of it and build some stuff, you can take 10%. thanks.

jdd2007 signing out

	01-11-2002 06:29									#32
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I'm back, with jungle to burn!

quote: Originally posted by Randolph damnit, since I'm obviously not going to get any labor in Gaia I'd like to cancel my order to buy 1 shield... but I'll keep my order for labor in gaia just so you bastards will have to pay a little more

There are other cities besides Gaia. Pretty much every city in the Market will be size 12 before too long.

quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 Eastate of jdd2007 Turn 14 GF, i dont know what to do about building stuff

You could
Hire 3 labor in Termina
Use 3 shields to build a Shoppe (or Eatery) in Termina

	01-11-2002 06:35									#33
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Sorry for the messy format -- half of it is my format, half of it is UnOrthO's. I'll get it to something standard next turn. Let me know if I've made any mistakes, since this is my first time doing this and I'd be lying if I didn't say it was really hard to keep track of all the numbers.

** I believe all these numbers are correct, but this is my first time doing UnOrthO's estate, so I might have messed up . If I have, please let me know. **

EDIT: Am I right in saying that labor for things built on UnOrthO's estates must come from Termina?
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Gazette Estates.
Managed by adaMada

Current Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shield, 0 Commerce, 4 paper, 4 books, 6 half-shield, 1 horse, 6 vassals

Current Production: 6(9 - 3 for vassals) food, 6 shield, 13 commerce.

Cash $3177, Debt $0, 1 horse (Ulfias), 6 Vassals (persian)

Proposed transactions:

Convert Gaia Bindery into Printing Press using 2 halfshields, 2 labor
Build storehouse on estate using 2 halfshields, 2 termina labor
Change Apolytonia Shoppe into Chain Retail Store using 2 halfshields, 2 labor
Sell 6 food @ $1 min
Sell 6 Commerce through Shoppe @ $1 min
Sell 4 Books Through Bookstore @ $1 min
Sell 7 Commerce @ $1 min
4 vassals work 4 paper in bindery making books
2 vassals make 4 paper in paper mill (2 shields)
Work 3 shields in paper press

Bid on following labor @ max $200:
5 termina labor
2 apolytonia labor
2 gaia labor

Last edited by adaMada on 01-11-2002 at 07:45

	01-11-2002 08:16									#34
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Hire 2 labor from Apolyton @ no more than $500 Sell 8 shields @ D/S

Changing to:
Hire 4 labor from Apolyton @ no more than $500

Sell 6 shields @ D/S
Use 2 Apolyton labor to build storehouse on Apolyton NW

	01-11-2002 08:17									#35
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MARKET STATUS UPDATE

Labor Market
Apolyton Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 4 labor @ $500 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 2 labor @ $200 max

Termina Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 5 labor @ $200 max

Tassagrad Available Labor: 8
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 5 labor @ $130 max

BHQ Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 3 labor @ $130 max

Gotham Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 6 labor @ $500 max

Chartres Available Labor: 3
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max

Timeline Available Labor: 9
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 4 labor @ $130 max
notyoueither is hiring 1 labor @ D/S +5

Gaia Available Labor: 9 Demand:14 Minimum Wage: D/S 12/9=$156
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Jonny is hiring 2 labor @ $250 max
=OttomusCeasar= is hiring 6 labor @ $300 max
Randolph is hiring 3 labor @ $122 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 2 labor @ $200 max


Land Auction


O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1300


S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $1500


The winning horse receives 25% of the proceeds, second place receives 10%, and third place receives 5%.
(21 commerce equivilent)


Horses entered in first Race:
1) Theodosius (by Randolph)
2) Ulfias (by UnOrthOdOx)


Oh well in the third Quarter Length the standings are:
1) Theodosius is behind by 1 (rolled an 2(3+6+2=11))
2) Ulfias (rolled a 4(5+3+4=12))

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 01-11-2002 at 08:23

	01-11-2002 08:58									#36
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EDIT: Ghengis, will you be racing horses next turn, or will there be a one turn delay between races?
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Estate of adaMada, Turn 14 Administered by adaMada Holdings: Chartres nw2, Timeline nnw, Apolyton wnw (Player #1) Buildings: Brewery on Timeline nnw Production: 5 food, 2 shields, 4 commerce Stockpile: 4 shields Cash: $414 Debt: $0 Proposed deals: Feed 1 food to vassals Convert 1 food into 1 ale with 1 worker Sell 3 food @ min. $1 Sell 4 Commerce @ min. $1 Sell 2 shields Buy one horse from NotYouEither at Commerce D/S + Horse Bonus

New Proposed Deals: (Other deals stand)
Begin and complete construction of TAVERN on Timeline nnw.
- Use one vassal
- Hire two labor in Timeline ($200 max)
--- Use one stockpiled shield if necessary.

-- adaMada --

	01-11-2002 18:12									#37
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MARKET CLOSEDGhengis Gardens
Horses entered in first Race:
1) Theodosius (by Randolph)
2) Ulfias (by UnOrthOdOx)

FINAL Quarter Length the standings are:
1) Theodosius wins by 3 (rolled an 6(3+6+2+6=17))
2) Ulfias (rolled a 2(5+3+42=14))

Race Proceeds= 21 commerce @ $122 ($2562)
$640 goes to Randoph
$256 goes to UnOrthOdOx

FINAL AUCTION STATUS[/size][/b]
Land Auction


O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1300


S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $1500

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 02-11-2002 at 09:42

	01-11-2002 18:14									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Tile trade: That trade would be fine anytime, but I do want to trade storehouse for storehouse, so you'd have to build one there. (Sorry I can't cancel my own warehouse build, but I'll need the extra space this turn.) Vassals: Someone (CiverDan, I think) mentioned during the chat that we should keep track of workers for you, but we started counting a little late. IIRC, the count we got was 7, but I'd trust 8 more (a straight comparison between saves).

Were they all French?

	01-11-2002 18:35									#39
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I realize the market is closed now, but could I have used labor from another city (besides Gaia) to build in my tile (Gaia W)? I thought I could only use Vassels or labor from a city that the tile in question is in the radius of.

quote: Race Proceeds= 21 commerce @ D/S 25% goes to Randoph 10% goes to UnOrthOdOx

Nice, 5 commerce will probably more than double my income!

	01-11-2002 18:58									#40
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada EDIT: Ghengis, will you be racing horses next turn, or will there be a one turn delay between races? -------------- New Proposed Deals: (Other deals stand) Begin and complete construction of TAVERN on Timeline nnw. - Use one vassal - Hire two labor in Timeline ($200 max) --- Use one stockpiled shield if necessary. -- adaMada --

Yes, but have received no entrys as of yet
Players Who own horses:
UnOrthOdOx
adaMada
Randoph
GhengisFarb (inelligible-but horse is available for rent, just pm me)
notyoueither

quote: Originally posted by Randolph I realize the market is closed now, but could I have used labor from another city (besides Gaia) to build in my tile (Gaia W)? I thought I could only use Vassels or labor from a city that the tile in question is in the radius of.

If you are building something on your tile then yes the labor has to come from a city with that tile in its radius. If you are building in a city all labor outside of vassals must be from city. You can build a shoppe in any city and use that city's labor, I don't see what difference it would make if you have a shoppe in Gaia or a shoppe in Timeline.

	01-11-2002 19:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If you are building something on your tile then yes the labor has to come from a city with that tile in its radius. If you are building in a city all labor outside of vassals must be from city. You can build a shoppe in any city and use that city's labor, I don't see what difference it would make if you have a shoppe in Gaia or a shoppe in Timeline.

So I can sell commerce (food, etc) that I produce in Gaia W anywhere? In this case all you need is 1 shoppe in 1 city and then you can sell all your commerce through that shoppe.

Thanks

	01-11-2002 23:50									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Randolph So I can sell commerce (food, etc) that I produce in Gaia W anywhere? In this case all you need is 1 shoppe in 1 city and then you can sell all your commerce through that shoppe. Thanks

Have you seen how much commerce Ghengis produces, I don't think he'll ever be able to sell it through ONE shoppe anywhere.

	02-11-2002 00:14									#43
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up to 6 right? (14 for a chain)

I can sell all my commerce though (my big 3 commerce)

	02-11-2002 02:20									#44
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Were they all French?

Yes; we didn't buy any workers so far as I know (though I came in a little late).

	02-11-2002 05:16									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Randolph up to 6 right? (14 for a chain)

When did we get size 14 cities?

	02-11-2002 09:39									#46
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yes, but have received no entrys as of yet Players Who own horses: UnOrthOdOx adaMada Randoph GhengisFarb (inelligible-but horse is available for rent, just pm me) notyoueither

Well, turn's over now, so too late to enter . Expect me and UnOrthO to be entering next turn for the turn after. (I would have entered him this turn, but didn't realize...)

-- adaMada

	02-11-2002 09:43									#47
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Well, turn's over now, so too late to enter . Expect me and UnOrthO to be entering next turn for the turn after. (I would have entered him this turn, but didn't realize...) -- adaMada

You can still enter, it will probably be a few days before the next session.

	02-11-2002 10:34									#48
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb You can still enter, it will probably be a few days before the next session.

Very well .

Can I just say "Enter my horse and UnOrthO's horse into the race. Pay any necessary fees." (we both should have enough cash for one commerce), or do you want me to go through and actually edit the orders?

-- adaMada

	04-11-2002 16:49									#49
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Ghengis, looking over this, it all looks good -- but did you miss my last orders revision, or am I missing something? If you did, it'd change a lot, so it doesn't matter -- I'll just do it next turn.

-- adaMada

	04-11-2002 21:08									#50
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NEWBIE QUESTIONS

1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both?

2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes?

5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined?

6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

Last edited by F-PRO on 04-11-2002 at 22:05

	05-11-2002 01:30									#51
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quote: Originally posted by F-PRO NEWBIE QUESTIONS 1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both?

Generally, for building, the rate is one labor per shield.

quote: 2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

Five shields, five labor to use the shields .

quote: 3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

Most buildings become operational the turn after they are completed, which is however fast you can build it. There might be one or two exceptions (storehouse?), but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

quote: 4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes?

Nope -- shoppes just provide a bonus. You can still sell food on the open market.

quote: 5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined?

Government agent? Ghengis runs the game, but his estate is totally seperate from the mechanics of the game itself... I'm not sure I totally understand your question .

quote: 6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

As far as I know, there is no tax. If you don't pay off your debt in ten/fifteen turns, then there'll be interest, but by that time paying it off should be a piece of cake.

quote: 7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

$500

Feel free to post any other questions .

-- adaMada

	05-11-2002 03:13									#52
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Feel free to post any other questions .

Thank you, I will

quote: Most buildings become operational the turn after they are completed, which is however fast you can build it. There might be one or two exceptions (storehouse?), but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

If you divide the production over several turns, do you have to use one shield per labour you use, or is it possible to put 5 labourers at work at day 1, and use 5 shields at day 2 (which would be a bit unrealistic - but who cares ).

quote: but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

I've read the rules on the main thread, but they seem to be outdated. Are the newer versions of the rules scattered around the trade sessions, or did I once again miss an important link?

quote: Government agent? Ghengis runs the game, but his estate is totally seperate from the mechanics of the game itself... I'm not sure I totally understand your question .

The rules in the main thread said something about a government agent, but that was the BETA faq.

quote: $500

, so if someone offers $1 minimum for food, he will have to sell the food for $1 if he wins the trade? Also, if the guy bid $500 for labour, but the supply of labourers exceeds the demand, does he then have to pay the price set by the D:S ratio instead of his max offer?

	05-11-2002 03:50									#53
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The Government agent has been removed more or less.

Hiring of labor and selling of product work on a supply/demand sort of system. If you offer to purchase at max 500, you will get the worker at the best price for the supply demand. Traditionally, whoever goes first will get the workers first as long as they bid enough to cover the price based on supply and demand.

Also, selling at 1$ min will net you the best price based on supply/demand.

	05-11-2002 05:01									#54
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quote: Originally posted by F-PRO NEWBIE QUESTIONS 1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both? 2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

They fuction in pairs shields are construction supplies but it takes 1 labor to utilize 1 shield. Technically a building's cost could be expressed in shields only, say a building costs 5 shields. But it will take 5 labor to hammer those 5 shields into place.

Having labor doesn't do you any good if you don't have the shields for them to build with. The shields just sit there collecting dust if you have no labor to hammer them into a building.

There are additional requirements that will come with Industrialization (machinery) and possibly later developments.

quote: Originally posted by F-PRO 3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

However long it takes you to acquire the buildings shield cost and the labor to convert the shields into the building. Sometimes one turn, sometimes more.

quote: Originally posted by F-PRO 4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes? 5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined? 6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

4)Actually, you can't sell food through shoppes, that's commerce. All the retail businesses do is give you a bonus on your final sale price.

5) No one keeps track anymore, but the GA has a lot of money.

6) There are currently no taxes, but all taxes have to be approved by more than 50% of hte players.

quote: Originally posted by F-PRO 7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

If someone offers to buy 1 labor at $500 max, that means they are willing to pay up to $500 for 1 labor. They get the lowest price necessary to buy the labor unless the price exceeds their max amount.

	05-11-2002 12:45									#55
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We captured 7 French workers and enslaved 3 more from former cities in the most recent turnchat, and also bought two English workers. Combined with the 8 French workers we captured the chat before that, there will be twenty vassals for auction next session.

I see an end to our labor shortages suddenly.

	05-11-2002 18:55									#56
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Thanks for the answers. I still have a question, though.

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If someone offers to buy 1 labor at $500 max, that means they are willing to pay up to $500 for 1 labor. They get the lowest price necessary to buy the labor unless the price exceeds their max amount.

So does this means that someone who says: "hire 1 labor @ $500 max" in effect offers to hire a labourer at the price set by the D:S ratio, whatever that price turns out to be, unless it exceeds $500? And does this also mean that someone who simply offers to "hire 1 labor @ $500" will win the trade from the guy who offered to hire the labour at $500 max? (He would have to pay $500 for the labour, though - instead of the D:S price.)

	05-11-2002 20:19									#57
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quote: Originally posted by F-PRO Thanks for the answers. I still have a question, though. So does this means that someone who says: "hire 1 labor @ $500 max" in effect offers to hire a labourer at the price set by the D:S ratio, whatever that price turns out to be, unless it exceeds $500? And does this also mean that someone who simply offers to "hire 1 labor @ $500" will win the trade from the guy who offered to hire the labour at $500 max? (He would have to pay $500 for the labour, though - instead of the D:S price.)

Yes, but they have both offered to hire labor at $500, one at the set price, one at the best price so if there isn't enough labor to fill both orders the first one who offered the $500 gets the labor.

	06-11-2002 02:21									#58
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I'm giving info on the $mini-game in the Ctp2 DG (hence the many questions). Is the thing I wrote about bidding correct? It's posted below.

BIDDING

When posting an offer, you can do so in the following format:

code:
Sell 5 food @ $10

	06-11-2002 07:11									#59
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quote: Originally posted by F-PRO code: Sell 6 food @ $10 If the trade would now end, you would win, but since the supply does not exceed the demand you will sell your items for the market price ($125). Your opponent will also be able to sell all his food for the same price. However, the trade doesn't end yet, and you make an additional offer: code: Sell 5 food @ $1 min (food from storehouse} Now the trade ends. You win again, but since supply exceeds demand, you have to sell at your minimum offer, which is $1 per piece. You are offering in total 14 food, so you get to sell them all (demand = 15) and earn $14. There is one demand left to fill, and since your opponent is the only one offering he will sell one food and get $10. You won the trade and earned more, but your opponent only had to sell 1 food.[/size]

Actually, I would think the player who bid "sell at $1 min" would sell at $9 as that is enough to underbid anyone else.

	06-11-2002 08:14									#60
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Ghengis -- did you see my post on the last page?

quote: Originally posted by adaMada Ghengis, looking over this, it all looks good -- but did you miss my last orders revision [building something new], or am I missing something? If you did, it'd change a lot, so it doesn't matter -- I'll just do it next turn. -- adaMada

Again, if you missed it/it was too late to go in, I'm not concerned at all -- I'll just do it next turn . Having said that, I'll need to know for next turn, so thought I'd go ahead and get it out of the way now...

-- adaMada