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PrinceBimz
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Tom Chick? Yeah I remember that name. People trust me...this guy does not have a clue when it comes down to game reviews.
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Civfan
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Toronto, Canada
Sep 1999
time: 05:23
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Was wondering if this review from gamespot was before or after the release of the ptw patch?
Did you use the new patch?
From alot of people this ptw is a peice of $hit? Well is it really?
I haven't and probably wont get this product. Its alittle weird to find out the game is released and a day or two after they release the patch.
Will wait til price is 1/10th of what it is now.
Thanks for the review and stuff.
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Master Marcus
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Quebec, Canada
Jan 2000
time: 00:23
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Originally posted by WarpStorm
Well, since you say in the part I snipped out that you didn't particularly like Civ3 to start with I am wasting my time trying to convince you, but here goes...
8 new civs - done professionally
ability to play with all 24 civs at once (actually 32)
ability to make HUGE maps
faster play
smarter AI
useful user interface enhancements
3 new city improvements - these really effect game play
1 new wonder - fairly minor unless you are going for a culture or spaceship win
2 new units - professionally done
4 new terrain graphics sets
removal of most hard coded values in the editor
a bunch of scenarios that need PTW to run
a mod manager
3 new worker actions - the RADAR Tower really changes the end game
stack moves and attacks
new victory and loss conditions
ability to change time scale
ability to name any unit
and I'm sure I'm forgetting something
BTW, PBEM works just fine as does hotseat. |
I agree, the SP additions are in fact wider than just 3 new city improvements and 2 units.... just the smarter AI, which is indeed smarter than 1.29f, justify PtW ( perhaps not the price however ). So Gamespot review was "rushed" by a MP addict reviewer who was right to depict the actual unstability of PtW's MP compounds - but at the expense of IGNORING its SP tweaks, small but numerous additions like WarpStrom has listed here, and I can confirm. Why then review Civ III as a great game last year with a score of 9.3, and a 9+ for gameplay, when a year later Ptw scores a 5, AND that 4/10 for gameplay???? It's the same core gameplay........
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wervdon
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Well, I can't comment alot since I didn't buy it (cause of competition from infogrames other title due out in less than a month-moo3), but here's my take on it anyways.
The gamespot review was accurate provided the MP is as buggy as they say (not having tried it or really even visited the forums on poly lately other than moo3), I dont know). They should not of released an expansion with its most advertised feature not working properly (or at least a patch immediately available), period. Its definately bad business to do so, and no one can argue that they used the MP as the main selling point. If it doesn't work, then they deserve the negative reviews.
But reviews and advertising aside, it doesn't mean its a bad game. As was already pointed out it has alot of other neat stuff (though the only thing that even tempts me to pay for it is the 24 civs at once on a huge map thing), and firaxis has *NEVER* failed to fix anything thats broken via patches that Ive known of. If the MP is broken, then there is almost no chance it will remain so in the long run. So those who bought it for MP can enjoy the extra features that do work, and in time will be able to enjoy the features that dont. Its not good from a business standpoint, but its also not like they bought a game from a company thats going to throw its hands up and say oh well we got our $, its your problem now.
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I think I allowed (having read other people's comments here)to say that the improvements for SP alone, warrant the
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It's a matter of opinion, but I don't agree at all. At least not at the going price for it now. I think I read someone's opinion that it could been sold as is as a single player add-on, and I have to say that for my $, a single player add on better at least have more diplomacy and espionage options :P I will say that when/if the price drops to about $15-20 then Ill pick it up just for the single player changes.
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The sad fact about all this is that if this game included no MP features at all and only it's impeccable one player features it would be getting scores in the 9's! |
Your probally right. At least most of the negative reviews would of been alot better. Maybe not 9 out of 10s, but I bet it'd be doing better than it is. The main reason is though that the MP stuff being there as the major feature, causes it to get focused on. There would still be a few fringe reviewers saying it was light on content though if it was exactly as-is without any MP at all.
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Oh and I also want to give Kudos to gamespot. Not because I think PtW is a bad game (I have no room to talk anyways not having bought it), but because they at least said what they thought about it honestly, which Im not so sure many reviewers do when a big developer puts out a new game.
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player1
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Belgrade, YU
Sep 2001
time: 06:23
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Originally posted by KoalaBear33
BTW, PBEM works just fine as does hotseat.  (I thought I read that hotseat doesn't work well due to problems trading with each other) |
I don't know abouy you but Hotseat works perfectly for me.
And don't base your opinion on just what somebody else said.
As for your they are most becasue "it should be done in the 1st palce". But they are done, and they are  , not
That argument in only OK, if you say that PtW in overpriced.
Overpriced maybe, but imporvement in any case.
Those who like Civ3 will probably buy it, one the other hand, casual games probably won't, exept if they whatnt MP, but in that case some patching is needed.
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Whohangs
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Chicago, IL
Nov 2001
time: 23:23
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I'd also like to laud Gamespot for what looks like a pretty fair review based on the feedback here. Especially since Gamespot had a number of hands on previews of the game prior to release, I thought the game was going to get a better review.
I was waiting for the Gamespot review, the majority of reviews from Gamespot have been pretty good as far as the games I have bought. The main reason I would be getting the expansion would be for multiplayer. So for me, the reviewer hit the correct aspect of the expansion pack, which is multiplayer.
$30 might be worth it to some people for just the single player features, but for me, it doesn't seem worth it. I'd rather spend the money on a new game, rather then spend more money on a game I bought a year ago and thought was good, but not great. I typically only buy one game every one to three months, so only the best games gets my money. This expansion pack doesn't look like one of them.
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Huzurdaddi
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Anyone who is a TBS junky would benefit from the expansion, so long as they liked the original Civ3. That's it. That's all.
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Ok, I'll call bullshit on that.
How many people do you think would have bought Civ3 PtW if were called "Civ3 better AI"?
Do you think the sales would have been lower?
I'll give you my opinion: of course you dip ****. Their sales would have been pathetic. By adding the mystical works multiplayer they got far more coverage and buzz.
Here at work a few people came by to say, "hey did you hear that Civ3 is getting multiplayer, maybe we should all go out and get it."
If it was called "Civ3 good AI" I don't think that anyone would have raised an eyebrow at work.
They knew this. So they lied. Pure and simple. They said that they had multiplayer on the box, and it simply does not work. They figured that they could pay off some sites (*cough* like gamesdomain) and get away with it. Thank gosh there are sites like gamespot out there.
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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:23
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I bought it at CompUSA tonigth for $20 bucks. I know its not the most awe inspiring expansion. But honestly I think $20 bucks is a fair price to pay for the new additions in single player alone. That's pretty cheap for an expansion.
If they get Multi to work it will be an added bonus.
BTW when is a patch coming out and whne do you think multi will be playable?
Also, where is a good place to go find games for multi?
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10-11-2002 05:31
Im jealous 
... I´m getting so tired of games coming out before they are finished...add to that the high price, and they wonder why people buy less and burn more?
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