12-11-2002 21:31									#31
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Galvatron's absolutely not a DL, he's been around a long time and furthermore Soundwave's grammar would be easy to recognize. Anyway, Soundwave has posted two times in the last month, offering to continue playing and then disappearing again.

	12-11-2002 21:41									#32
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Thanks. My apologies to Glavatron.

	12-11-2002 23:20									#33
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Correction, in the first AoW game it took 2 turns. I should know, I conquered them. But it was also a joint effort of 3 forces (CEU, Britian, and Italy). Now, this may be due to the early stages of the game, but we'll see what will happen later on. We are still wondering what would have happened if Russia had alligned with France and thrown her glove in, or if the Med Leaugue wasn't flipped off by France.

Still, all in all I really don't like rails myself.

	13-11-2002 03:13									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Darius871 Galvatron's absolutely not a DL, he's been around a long time and furthermore Soundwave's grammar would be easy to recognize.

...and all of Soundwave's DLs are named after Nazi war criminals (Sepp Deitrich and GenocideS1 to name two which I noticed earlier this year).

	13-11-2002 06:46									#35
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Hmm, yes I remember that.

	13-11-2002 15:44									#36
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I'm not happy about the effects of RRs in Civ2 either. I even stated why in the Readme file for AoW. Yeah, Tech, you're correct. I have more than adequate knowledge of the RR system as it existed at the turn of the century in Europe, but chose to leave some lines "incomplete." Anyone who has spoken with me about scenarios and scenario-building knows that. To some extent, I dealt with the problem more effectively in Imp1870--still not satisfactorily, however.

Tech, I agree that there are seemingly several posters out there on the site that are soundwave DLs. I have a theory about that, but I'm not going to air it in public.

Don't get too excited, Tech.

I'm usually mild-mannered to a fault.

	14-11-2002 11:54									#37
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Does that mean that von blucher guy who was caught cheating was soundwave? I recall the grammer and attitude being similar enough, but I'm not usually active enough to catch onto these things

	14-11-2002 12:10									#38
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Just ask a mod, they can point, click, tell you.

	14-11-2002 12:57									#39
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I have made a version of AOW with no railroads, that's what I changed, the roads, not the units, not the civs or the cities or any other stuff, Exile did a good job of that. I just wanted to see what AOW would be like with no RRs, so I changed the roads in each country and changed the road movement value to 8 instead of 3 and I think it is an improvement. I asked Exile permission to do this and he denied it so I won't be giving the scenario to anyone else or making any PBEMs of it unless he gives permission.

So I've play tested it in single player and I think the movement is more realistic but I would like Exile to look at it and see what he thinks of it.

If anyone else thinks AOW with no RRs is a good idea, say so.

	14-11-2002 13:04									#40
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Sounds good, but you were smart to ask for permission.

	14-11-2002 17:28									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Darius871 I'm in the game and I can assure you it's not. After the disaster at Civfanatics we are continuing it for almost no reason, and every turn is a nuisance. Some quotes: OK is anything happening? It has been so long since I played the last turn in this pbem that I had forgotten nearly everything about the country... well, there seems to be a lack of commitment to this game Cyrion. So i guess if you can check in here every 3 days or so, you will be among the most active players. I guess this tells me how little have happened here over the last month or so... I must admit I haven't got the slightest idea what is going on in this game: the pace is so slow...

I think I recognize some of those quotes...

And Darius, I thought you prefered History to AOW ?? Ok, ok, I know, it was BEFORE you started to play it... And I prefered AOW from the beginning, if only because you don't have too many units at the start and have some time to "get into it"...

Now, to be fair, if the History PBEM got slow and quite uninteresting originally, it's not because it is unbalanced, but rather because of some players being slow, quitting and such: it came rather from the players than from the scen, IMHO. (and the problems started BEFORE your game by Civfanatics).

And then about Soundwave and his supposed DLs: I don't know about Von Blucher (though I doubt it), and I think Sepp Dietrich and such were at Civfanatics and NOT here!! So I'm really not sure Soundwave had ANY DL at Poly!

And about the scen: yes, IMHO it's a rip off! but I think that SW didn't see anything wrong in modifying a scen to suit his taste better (I'm NOT saying he was right, but it's not as if he got money from it or even tried hard to be admired for his scen!) with high move units and such!

And Exile, he didn't say you approved but mentionned that his work was based on yours, that's all:

quote: Now the Honour Role Most of all Exile for the 'Scenario template' and I always wanted to do a scenario like this.

Now I agree, he should have asked (and I have the feeling you would have refused, but that's not the point!).

So, I just wanted to clarify a few things, as I am playing in both the "Another AOW" (BTW Exile, it's the game I prefer from those I'm in, your scen is great, even for the backward Ottoman player! but I must admit the people I am playing it with are helping making it fun, thanks guys!) and the original "History" PBEM (I am the one not remembering what happens from turn to turn and complaining it's too slow !)

	14-11-2002 21:15									#42
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quote: And Darius, I thought you prefered History to AOW ?? Ok, ok, I know, it was BEFORE you started to play it...

I admit it, but remember that I saw History before AoW and naturally enjoyed the one I saw first. Also, I was just taken in by the nice graphics and the fascinating era, not the amount of thought put into the scenario. I had only been here a few months and wasn't exactly some sort of scenario connoisseur, and I wasn't aware of AoW or the controversy surrounding the ripoff. Henrik duly pointed AoW out to me, I gave it a quick glance, and just played on. It took the PBEM's disaster, an email from Exile, and my reading several relevant threads here to make me realize what was really going on.

quote: Now, to be fair, if the History PBEM got slow and quite uninteresting originally, it's not because it is unbalanced, but rather because of some players being slow, quitting and such: it came rather from the players than from the scen, IMHO. (and the problems started BEFORE your game by Civfanatics).

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that; IMO the cheating incident and the big debate after academia brought up the other game have given the game a sense of futility that wasn't there before.

	14-11-2002 21:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Darius871 I'm going to have to disagree with you on that; IMO the cheating incident and the big debate after academia brought up the other game have given the game a sense of futility that wasn't there before.

Yes and no

Yes, the cheating incident (which I had even forgotten, just to show how involved I feel in this game... ) belong to what I meant when I wrote it came from the players instead of the scen!!

And I agree, the result of the game at Civfanatics brought a further sense of futility, but it wasn't really needed: the game had lost most of its fun even before...

Nonetheless, it seems I can't disagree with you

	15-11-2002 06:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Cyrion And Exile, he didn't say you approved but mentionned that his work was based on yours, that's all:

From memory, he only added that part to the readme after he got yelled at SW also tried to claim several unit graphics and flags as his own work when they'd been made by other people

	15-11-2002 13:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Case From memory, he only added that part to the readme after he got yelled at

I think I remember who the yeller was...

quote: SW also tried to claim several unit graphics and flags as his own work when they'd been made by other people

I had forgotten that

	15-11-2002 14:15									#46
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A thread for you Galvatron...

	08-01-2003 21:50									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Galvatron But there is another History-game going on here and it's doing well.

Looked at it in the last few weeks?

	09-01-2003 00:53									#48
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Hey I followed it the whole time and woow what's the problem with it? You guys have a lot of action over there.

Ok in one turn you conquer half of Europe is a little bit unrealistic but on the other hand it isn't boring any more

	02-02-2003 15:10									#49
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I was editing another sloppy map for the History PBEM and I remembered this thread. Get a load of this:

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This has been downloaded 83 time(s).

	20-02-2003 11:44									#50
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And an update:

	22-02-2003 02:32									#51
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And another:

Attachment: history.jpg
This has been downloaded 22 time(s).

	27-02-2003 20:40									#52
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And just one turn later:

Attachment: history.jpg
This has been downloaded 53 time(s).

	28-02-2003 02:37									#53
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i can't even figure out who is who without a score sheet

	28-02-2003 03:37									#54
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And it got even worse: after my turn, about half of what remained of Austria is now green...

But at least we are having fun...