13-11-2002 05:48									#31
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quote: Originally posted by =OttomusCeasar= The poll is still screwed up, there are 3 group B's and several Group A's. There should be only one "Random Everything" either you want Random Everything or not.

That's to make it easier to tally random votes for each option. A vote for random everything counts as a vote for random for each option specifically as well.

	13-11-2002 09:16									#32
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quote: Dude, this is a repoll because the original Map Pref poll tied. We need to get done before the next millenium. Please, let's not hold a run-off...please...now, a repoll due to a tie is the only democratic thing to do...but a run-off due to close...

We do have till December first, we don't want to get everything out of the way by the 16th just to sit on our arses for the rest of the month... might as well bicker

Nov 10:
Nov 20:
Nov 30:
Dec 1:

	13-11-2002 09:22									#33
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	13-11-2002 17:45									#34
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*Okay, I am sensing someone thought I was a little too harsh with my post about needing to get it done*

I believe I needed to insert more smiley faces to make it better

Yes, Randolph, we do have until Dec 1, but:
(1) Some people will be traveling for Thanksgiving. We can probably cut this out of an idea of productive time if enough people do it.
(2) We've got more than this to decide, probably.
(3) We need to have an idea if there will be for example a lot of rivers or hills or whatever so we can still bicker but it will be about formulating a basic strategy.

Okay, I think there are enough smilies.

	13-11-2002 19:49									#35
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I believe I needed to insert more smiley faces to make it better

YOU CAN'T PLACATE PEOPLE WITH SMILEY FACES

opps! I mean...

you can't placate people with smiley faces, can you?

edit: I found out there is an "emoticon limit" to each post

	13-11-2002 19:58									#36
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I actually trying to be annoying more than anything else...

	13-11-2002 20:11									#37
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There's still quite a lot of inter-team work (and especially intra-team work) to be done before the 1st. I don't think I'm going to be able to do much of it though, since I have a few tests until the 18th, then Hearts of Iron comes out on the 19th, and I'll be a bit busy.

	16-11-2002 19:33									#38
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There should be no less than 70% water.
Too much land is awful.

We are playing Humans vs. Humans, meaning:
Naval Warfare could actually be fun!!?

	16-11-2002 21:44									#39
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat There should be no less than 70% water. Too much land is awful. We are playing Humans vs. Humans, meaning: Naval Warfare could actually be fun!!?

I like land! Land good for monster!
(However, everything random is better.)

Naval Warfare? What's that?



I really dont goof off a lot with it, I usually just bypass the enemy navy, hold a skeleton navy at home to defeat there navy, and just send multimillions of transports(backed by battleships of course) chock full of Modern Armor to their homeland...

	17-11-2002 01:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I really dont goof off a lot with it, I usually just bypass the enemy navy, hold a skeleton navy at home to defeat there navy, and just send multimillions of transports(backed by battleships of course) chock full of Modern Armor to their homeland...

That's nice against AI. But we are facing humans now.
Naval Warfare is poorly implemented in Civ3.
( perhaps not enhanced in PTW? )

Ok, the missile delivery systems do not fire automatically on passing units (and without a ZOC) it's a shame...

So that's why it could be a different experience vs. humans.
A loaded Carrier in a (submarine-flanked) convoy of landing vessels and battleships would be something to hold of, eh?
Might be fun?

	17-11-2002 02:56									#41
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The point of all Naval Warfare historically was to

1.) Build a fleet that will sink another nation's transports in case of sea-borne invasion.
2.) Better protect overseas colonies
3.) Reconnaisance

Which are all basically the reasons that Airborne Warfare was born. Recon planes were first used to observe enemy troop movements. In order to prevent that they enemy built fighters to shoot the recon planes down. In response to that the original nation built fighters also, to protect the Recon planes and shoot down enemy fighters....

Then the bomber came (and the battleship/aircraft carrier formations for naval warfare) whose purpose was to cripple an enemies recon ability, industrial ability, and troop movement ability.

I predict that for the same reasons we shall have naval warfare and airborne assaults, much like the real life purpose those units were made.

	18-11-2002 21:18									#42
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My question is this...so which choice won, and how will the random everything votes be tallied versus those whose views were more diversified?

	18-11-2002 23:57									#43
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That's the question isn't it. It's certainly a poll that that will require some interpreting (maybe re-re-polling).

	19-11-2002 00:06									#44
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Quite a quandry...Admiral, we should lead a massive multi-national invasion force for regime change and an end to the mass-confusion

Are you with me

	19-11-2002 01:14									#45
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Yar! It be time for mutiny!

We'll need to set it to a dry archipelago so we can leave trip on a desert island.

But seriously… we need to figure this out eventually. The situations where there are more “all random + individual random” than all the “picks” are obvious. But where there are more “picks” should we have a (re-)re-pole so the people who picked random will have a say in the choice? Or should we just go with the plurality for convenience sake?

	19-11-2002 01:24									#46
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Final Results:

'Everything Random' recieved 11 votes out of a total of 41, meaning each option will be decided individually.

Option 1: Landmass
Group A (Random) 23 votes
Group B (Choosing: Continents) 18 votes

Option 2: Climate
Group A (Random) 14 votes
Group B (Choosing: Normal) 27 votes

Option 3: Temperature
Group A (Random) 15 votes
Group B (Choosing: Temperate) 26 votes

Option 4: Age
Group A (Random) 21 votes
Group B (Choosing: 4 billion) 20 votes

	19-11-2002 04:42									#47
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Temperate climate did not get 26 votes... it only got 17, with WET climate getting the other 9 votes. Wouldn't we hold a run-off?

	19-11-2002 05:13									#48
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The 26 votes is for the group (picking), not for that particular option (temperate). This poll was the reasoning of having something beyond random VS choosing, so that could be decided in one poll.

	19-11-2002 05:18									#49
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Meaning a new poll Trip...or do you mean:
Landmass=Random
Climate=Normal&Temperate
Age=Random

This based on simple plurality...personally, I want a large landmass, continents, 70% water, warm, normal, 4 billion...but thats just me....

	19-11-2002 05:29									#50
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Too late now WarriorPoet, none of us are going to get what we want now.

In the words of someone else who said the same thing to me: Deal with it.

	19-11-2002 05:38									#51
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I'll play anywhere, but in the words of one who has played many games, I know what yields the best empires and the best competition, and hence, the best games...IMHO

	19-11-2002 08:03									#52
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quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet Meaning a new poll Trip...or do you mean: Landmass=Random Climate=Normal&Temperate Age=Random This based on simple plurality...personally, I want a large landmass, continents, 70% water, warm, normal, 4 billion...but thats just me....

That's that. If we do a poll to accept that, what if it doesn't pass? Then what? We've already had two polls over this issue, another 2 would be rather redundant and inefficient...

	19-11-2002 19:27									#53
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NP, trip, chill mighty liege, I'm just trying to sort out what the final resolution is.

	19-11-2002 20:20									#54
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OK, I say we go with the plurality (even though I don't really like the outcomes ) unless anyone has a serious problem with this in which case we'll have 2 run off polls for climate. Sound Fair?

	19-11-2002 23:54									#55
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Fair to me, and I promise not to quibble

	20-11-2002 08:47									#56
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Let's just play with Trip's map already.

It's not exactly what everyone wants but I would just like to get on with the game.

	20-11-2002 18:34									#57
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GF, I liked the simpsons-esque avatar...Back to your point, I agree, I can't wait until December....

	20-11-2002 18:38									#58
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quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet GF, I liked the simpsons-esque avatar...Back to your point, I agree, I can't wait until December....

That was for an attempt at a Simpson's team, which only had two people interested in joining........

	20-11-2002 23:56									#59
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Too bad, it would have been cool crushing bart into bits or running from the crazed religious zealot