21-11-2002 21:05									#31
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Yes, about Bulgarians that's wrong.

	21-11-2002 21:07									#32
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Why are Greeks there at all

	21-11-2002 21:07									#33
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quote: And btw. why are Bulgarians lumped together with "yugoslavic" peoples?

well they are related to the macedonians who were part of yugoslavia... ah I'm on thin ice here

yeah and they're all south slavic aren't they?

	21-11-2002 21:08									#34
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100% English. My family goes back generations from the north, all, it seems, working class.

	21-11-2002 21:08									#35
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 They all come from there. Turks, Finns and Hungarians.

There's no proof that Finns and Hungarians are of the same ethnic origin, Paki. That's mystery no one has yet been able to solve as there's so many options and little proof. Only the roots of Finno-Ugric languages have been traced back (Uralic languages).

	21-11-2002 21:10									#36
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Nah, there's proof. They all come from Turkish/mongol tribes.


Bulgarians come from prot-bulgarians and other ethnic groups which appeared on the scene around the 6th century maybe a bit sooner.

It's all in the Byzantium archives.

	21-11-2002 21:13									#37
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50% italian
50% romanian

	21-11-2002 21:17									#38
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Damn evil euro-centric pool

	21-11-2002 21:19									#39
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Nah, there's proof. They all come from Turkish/mongol tribes.

That's even less proved. Some might suggest that the tribe of the "Melanchlainen", which Herodotos mentions in his Scythia-account might be the proto-Finnugrians (OK, OK, this is based only on the ending "-lainen"...)
Yet, Finno-Ugric languages are too different from the Turk-mongolic family to assume a closer genetic relation.

quote: Bulgarians come from prot-bulgarians and other ethnic groups which appeared on the scene around the 6th century maybe a bit sooner.

That's true, although the substrate of rural populace surely continued to be mostly Slavic. The "upper-class" Bulgarian warrior caste then acculturated to the Slavic substrate by adapting their language.

	21-11-2002 21:23									#40
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quote: That's true, although the substrate of rural populace surely continued to be mostly Slavic. The "upper-class" Bulgarian warrior caste then acculturated to the Slavic substrate by adapting their language.

lumping them together with the yugoslavs wasn't that bad then?

	21-11-2002 21:26									#41
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Warner, nope.

Herodotus mentions have nothing to do with fino-ugric-turkish.

It was just some other ethnic groups living there at that time.


That's just an artificial later attempt to give "historical depth" to finougrishturkish which came from the same ethnic group and assimilated what herodotus talks about which were nothing in comparison with the finougrish turkish.

	21-11-2002 21:30									#42
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Only Jewish, at least for the 5 generations I know about.

	21-11-2002 21:32									#43
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Anything more than that Eli? There are Jews in lots of countries... all of your family's past generations lived in Israel?

	21-11-2002 21:59									#44
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I only voted for the major bits: (Approximately)

56.25% English
25% Italian (Sicilian)
12.5% Croat

Apparently there are bits of Scot and Swede in me somewhere as well to cover the remaining 6.75%.

-Arrian

	21-11-2002 22:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III And btw. why are Bulgarians lumped together with "yugoslavic" peoples?

Bulgaria was part of Great Serbia. Crushed by the Turks in 1389.

	21-11-2002 22:20									#46
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There we go...Celtic, English, Finnish, and South-East Asia for a bit of spice...

	21-11-2002 22:31									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II Anything more than that Eli? There are Jews in lots of countries... all of your family's past generations lived in Israel?

No at all. I wasnt even born in Israel.

All my known ancestors lived in Belarus, except my parents who moved to Russia.

	21-11-2002 22:44									#48
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50% German (Heidelberg region)
25% Irish (Donegal region)
25% English (Barbados ---> England)

Technically those numbers aren't official, because I do have a small amount of Scottish thrown in there as well with the Irish...but the Irish is dominant.

My Maternal Grandfather's Grandparents came from the Donegal region (around Sligo)

My Maternal Grandmother's grandparents came from Heidelberg

My Paternal Grandfather's grandparents came from Germany (though not sure where in)

My Paternal Grandmother's Great Grandparents lived in Barbados, and their parents came from England.

	21-11-2002 23:21									#49
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French/Belgian (something like 1/2 to 2/3), Danish (about 1/4 to 2/5), and Irish (about 1/10 to 1/4). I take after the French/Belgian side (fairly dark skin, black hair, large jaw), while my brother takes after the Danish/Irish side (lighter skin (burns and freckles easily), light brown hair, smaller jaw). Most people who see us don't think that we're related, or else they think that we're at most cousins.

	22-11-2002 00:26									#50
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I'm from Planet Earth.

	22-11-2002 00:50									#51
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I am a Mutt, as most people from Cnetral America, and Panama in particular are:

I know I have French Blood (first Canal Attempt), some Spanish, and looking at my extended family, some Native American and African blood in somewhere. i may have some Macedonian, though that is just based on name evidence, but that could just as well be all from Spain.

	22-11-2002 01:06									#52
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on the multiple choice. Now why didn't I think of that?

It allowed me to vote for 4 of my origins. Native american, German, English, and French.

	22-11-2002 01:12									#53
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I'm scandinavian.

My grandmom (on my fathers site) had a "special" name before she married my grandpop, so I have added some german influence (second choice).

I have seeked the Google and the results I got confirms, that I am not totally wrong in my guess.

And as my familyname also is a german name - so........

But how many years, we have to go back before my family changed to be "pure" danish - that I do not know.

	22-11-2002 01:36									#54
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What does a Finno-Ugric look like and what is the difference between them and Scandinavians?

	22-11-2002 01:42									#55
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quote: 50% italian 50% romanian

destined to loose from Croatia in football (for those who dont know we beat Romania 1:0 two days ago)


I m Croatian from both sides, all the way as we know since mine were simple peasant folk. But they never really took any records so I could have mixtures of everything.

	22-11-2002 01:43									#56
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AFAIK
I'm about 85% Italian.
10% Scandinavian (Swedes).
5% French.

Saluti

	22-11-2002 01:54									#57
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Black Gael (mother) /Norman (fathers family)

	22-11-2002 02:15									#58
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75% Finnish
25% Tornedalen Finnish

Also small amounts of Swedish, German and Jewish blood. Possibly some Lapp, too (from the Tornedalen area)

	22-11-2002 02:18									#59
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Hey... there i 4 of us former Yugoslavian/Bulgarian... who is that apart from Vet Legion... climbing up the ranks we are :doitnow:

	22-11-2002 02:28									#60
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 ...the finougrish turkish.

Ural-Altaic.