26-11-2002 13:03									#31
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All the problems I have experienced with trying to get PtW MP to work... I had to put PTW aside till next patch. Sucks this way, crashes on me even in SP sometimes.

Sadly, Civ 2 got to be the only civ game I'm not interested in playing online . For a civ 3 (when its fixed) or a ctp game, I'm happy to do it anytime... or maybe I will finally understand the good parts of Civ 2 now, several years after getting it?

	26-11-2002 19:32									#32
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Yes, we'll be happy to help you understand CIVII MP.
Many games are offered weekly. Just check the other threads. There are many good teachers here.

RAH

	26-11-2002 20:41									#33
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OMG, it will be fun if I'll get into this game... let me think, 4 years after I got it .

I admit I played Civ 2 FAR less than any other game in the genre, so I suck at it as much as one can suck.

	26-11-2002 20:51									#34
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Well I sincerely hope that when I get back to NZ and get a modem for my computer there will be enough ppl left to try it out with, and it won't be too oppressing an environment that I am driven out after my first MP game...

And will MP work with the Civfanatics MGE patch? I have the original game (v2,42, CiC and FW), but haven't seen the MP version in NZ so needed that upgrade.

	26-11-2002 21:04									#35
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It will work.

	26-11-2002 21:31									#36
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I don't think the current civII MP groups are oppressive at all. We don't berate unexperienced players. We want them to learn and get more competetive to add as many potential players as possible. While there are still quite a few players, there are less than there used to be. SO we encourage new players as we kick the crap out of them. There are quite a few one night games started so you get a chance to learn without suffering months for a couple of mistakes.

RAH

	26-11-2002 21:43									#37
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quote: Originally posted by rah SO we encourage new players as we kick the crap out of them. RAH

I can attest to this.

	26-11-2002 23:03									#38
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quote: There are quite a few one night games started so you get a chance to learn without suffering months for a couple of mistakes.

Hah... a couple? Except for the very first turns, I won't make a single thing right!

	26-11-2002 23:45									#39
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That's the point though. Make mistakes, get beat, try again another day. Eventually you learn something. FF has learned from his experiences. We've had some interesting border conflicts.

RAH

	27-11-2002 00:15									#40
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The only way to learn is to play... I've played many practice games with newbies where we look at each turn and discuss the decisions they are making. It usually helps

	27-11-2002 00:20									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Well I sincerely hope that when I get back to NZ and get a modem for my computer there will be enough ppl left to try it out with, and it won't be too oppressing an environment that I am driven out after my first MP game...

Ming is right......don't be swayed by a few threads where we seem to be bashing newbs......it turns out they asked for a bashing on several occasions.

With 1 or 2 notable exceptions everyone here is actually quite helpful.

	27-11-2002 01:06									#42
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike With 1 or 2 notable exceptions everyone here is actually quite helpful.

Gee... I wonder just WHO he could be talking about.

	27-11-2002 02:13									#43
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you don't learn if you don't get beat, unless you make silly mistakes...

the game is no longer what it used to be for me, as the games are usually one night stands, and i like to think i have moved on in life

but i play with people who offer me the most enjoyment, skill level is something they can always work on.

however its nice to branch out and test other groups....

	27-11-2002 02:33									#44
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Mrwhereitsat could always play with the Aussies.

we promise not to mention sheep

	27-11-2002 05:43									#45
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Right on about skill levels, as I have really picked up my game since starting to play over here...

The start is important (DUH) but how you crisis manage is the most important thing you can do. What you do when the Ferrets show up on your doorstep early in the game will tell you how your game goes.

More often then not, your ability to take an asskicking and smile will be an indicator of how much fun you have. I enjoy the game itself, which makes winning AND losing byproducts of the enjoyment. I don't necessarily LIKE to lose, but it doesn't bother me as much when I'm playing people who won't cry and complain when I manage to get a good lick on them.

I would suggest starting a couple of hotseat games by yourself to try and maximize your starts. I took this suggestion a while back and tried to perfect what I would do at the beginning of 2X production games.

If you are interested, add me to your ICQ and when I have time we could set up a duel.

	27-11-2002 09:43									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Mrwhereitsat could always play with the Aussies. we promise not to mention sheep

are you talking about eyes

	27-11-2002 13:43									#47
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no

	27-11-2002 14:33									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Mrwhereitsat could always play with the Aussies. we promise not to mention sheep

GOOD!

And I'll try not to mention John Howard.

I haven't seen any threads where newbies are bashed -my one concern is that I would lose badly, and then again, and again... and although this is not too much of a problem (I'd get over it eventually ), I might be beaten so quickly I wouldn't now what I could have done differently. In other words, I feel that coming up against so many veterans with what must be millions of years experience by now, I will lose continuously and not learn anything. That's when it turn me off MP.

	27-11-2002 14:39									#49
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt And I'll try not to mention John Howard.

Touche.

	27-11-2002 16:55									#50
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Its OK , we try not to mention John Howard in the hope he will go away.

Aussies are very gentle on newbies and very helpful as well.

	27-11-2002 16:57									#51
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We should probably warn him about Deity though.

	27-11-2002 17:04									#52
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Why?
Deity is a very nice guy who is most welcoming and helpfull when it comes to newbies.

	27-11-2002 17:12									#53
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Hehe I agree......wasn't trying to imply otherwise. I was just saying any new players should be made aware of Deity's 'spotless' reputation.

	27-11-2002 22:58									#54
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Impressed I stand by the community .

	27-11-2002 23:04									#55
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"Aussies are very gentle on newbies and very helpful as well."

Yes, they've even been known to use lubrication at times.

	28-11-2002 01:20									#56
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	28-11-2002 02:41									#57
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	28-11-2002 08:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Mrwhereitsat could always play with the Aussies. we promise not to mention sheep

Well, play with the Aussies who can commit to a game, are reliable and available regularly - which rules out Hydey

The rest of us would be happy to give you a lesson in humility

	30-11-2002 12:47									#59
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quote: Right on about skill levels, as I have really picked up my game since starting to play over here... The start is important (DUH) but how you crisis manage is the most important thing you can do. What you do when the Ferrets show up on your doorstep early in the game will tell you how your game goes. More often then not, your ability to take an asskicking and smile will be an indicator of how much fun you have. I enjoy the game itself, which makes winning AND losing byproducts of the enjoyment. I don't necessarily LIKE to lose, but it doesn't bother me as much when I'm playing people who won't cry and complain when I manage to get a good lick on them. I would suggest starting a couple of hotseat games by yourself to try and maximize your starts. I took this suggestion a while back and tried to perfect what I would do at the beginning of 2X production games. If you are interested, add me to your ICQ and when I have time we could set up a duel.

Ditto. I've learned tons so far and I'm only on my 2nd game here. After YEARS of mastering SP to an incredible point I've discovered I still have much to learn when it comes to MP. Of course, war4ever, ming, and rah are great teachers. Even if war keeps getting his ass kicked and ming just sits there doing nothing

We've just finished our game for tonight after roughly 4-6 hours of play. It was pretty fun. FF beat the hell out of us though.

So no, civ2 MP isn't dead. It'll be left to just the diehards soon..so it's our job to convert others

	30-11-2002 16:30									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Hehe I agree......wasn't trying to imply otherwise. I was just saying any new players should be made aware of Deity's 'spotless' reputation.

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