05-12-2002 10:59									#31
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I took one of those work from home opportunities and now I have a ranch in Colorado, a yacht and a condo in Florida

Thanks Apolyton

	05-12-2002 11:25									#32
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer If you use a pop up stopper doesn't that prevent Poly from getting it money for their advertisement? So long...

that's why you use a pop up killer

	05-12-2002 14:07									#33
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quote: If you use a pop up stopper doesn't that prevent Poly from getting it money for their advertisement?

yes you do

quote: With the money Markos makes from his merchandising? Heck no!

the store makes up for only a small part of our revenue

unfortunately pop-ups are the opposite...

i'll try to tack down the source

	05-12-2002 14:45									#34
	Support Apolyton

Thanks Marko!

	05-12-2002 15:42									#35
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

it would help me a lot if someone gets it next time, to check on the history of that window(the "down" button on the back bar choice)

	05-12-2002 15:42									#36
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Is that nasty paypopup.com a legit Apolyton thing or an invader. It's a massive nuisance and I thought it had been got rid off yesterday?

	05-12-2002 16:20									#37
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Is that nasty paypopup.com a legit Apolyton thing or an invader. It's a massive nuisance

it's legit. how exactly is it a nuisanse? do you get it constantly?

	05-12-2002 17:51									#38
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Yes every time I change thread here at Aolyton. It pops up 4 fold. (I have my browser on 'warn me about cookies'). Even when I click cancel it doesn't seem to stop it 50% of the time from pop that casino wheel. And two days ago it tried to download something.

This wasn't here last week Is It new?

	05-12-2002 18:14									#39
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if you dont accept cookies it wont stop bothering you

it use cookies so that it's not shown all the times

	05-12-2002 18:24									#40
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I tried to run into the dialer popup and frequently visited its favorite places (news and PMs), but didn't get it. It seems to have stopped. Still yesterday it annoyed the hell out of me, but today not one appearance.

If I see it again, I will post a screenie of the history window.

	05-12-2002 18:56									#41
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Marko,

I just had another one. It was in the classic games forum and as I started to type a new post something wild happened. The computer screen rolled down after the first few letters and it did not register anymore of my typing. I had another window open at another site dict.leo.org (a german/english dictionary) and MS Outlook. On the back button the screen had the following (from the top): Pop-Under Advertisng, Paypop.com _Advertising_Loading_Window. It again asked me to download and to install software. It also warned after I pressed cancel that I have to press og in order to install the software correctly!!!

So long...

PS: I have a screen shot with the back button history. I can email that to you if you need it!

	05-12-2002 18:58									#42
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I just tried surfing Poly with Opera and any external links to pages using the go.php linking system caused me at least one pop-up window per link and most of them were gambling related.

I re-constructed the pop-ups by surfing to Poly with MSIE and I immidiately got 2 pop-up ads. The window redirects to http://pops.freeze.com/santa/wshp5/...?f=freezegopop6.

In the end it adverts in a Macromedia Flash animation a free and innocent looking Christmas screensaver titled Free Santa's Workshop Screen Saver. Nice screensaver, but as I tested it and scanned for spyware with Ad-Aware, I noticed that unless you uncheck all boxes in the installation program, you will receive heaps of pure spam.

When I returned back to the MSIE window again, I got a pop-up from http://66.227.36.231/sendout2xa.93.php that opened a special window called "Ad-viewer"

I also found the casino pop-up that seems to start downloading an installer for the casino software.

http://216.12.219.48/~admin1/adserving/rd350.php

However I didn't get anything, even if I clicked on the links with MSIE, unless you mean those 3-4 other casino pop-ups you get by doing that.

Anyway, those pop-ups screwed up my MSIE settings by locking the toolbars and enabling "Personalized Favorites Menu."

Hilarious statement from one of the pop-ups...

"We do not provide any free or not commercial services."

	05-12-2002 19:08									#43
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Gotcha. Although others beat me with the facts, at least I have a nice pic of the villain .

Attachment: dialer.jpg
This has been downloaded 95 time(s).

	05-12-2002 19:09									#44
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thanks Pioneer, ralph. i've contacted the service on the issue. they are supposed to offer the ability to no show some categories of ads(although i'm not sure where a dialer ad would probably be in)

	05-12-2002 19:13									#45
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BTW, I just discovered one nice thing. As those pop-up ads are using the Macromedia Flash plug-in, it seems to be that the Flash animation includes some code that seems to start a file download with some browsers, I just noticed that you can apparently at least forbid the plug-in from storing files on your hard drive from "doubleclick.net" (yes, it's an ad running on DoubleClick's advertising network and it stores a cookie that Ad-Aware has listed as spyware). Instructions:

1. Right click on the animation and choose Settings from the menu.
2. Go to the tab marked with a folder icon.
3. Set the amount of data to none and tick the "Never" box.

Just some nice little gimmick. Doesn't necessarily help at all, but at least you don't have to store those animations in your browser's cache memory.

Attachment: flash.gif
This has been downloaded 89 time(s).

	05-12-2002 19:22									#46
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by MarkG thanks Pioneer, ralph. i've contacted the service on the issue. they are supposed to offer the ability to no show some categories of ads(although i'm not sure where a dialer ad would probably be in)

Thanks for understanding us Markos .

I doubt that's a "dialer ad", it's probably just an attempt to force a dialer for a premium (probably "adult") service on our computer. I have no desire to check what it really is, as it can get very expensive. Several lawsuits are going on here on this issue.

If it was just an annoying popup ad, I'd say get over it, but this one is both annoying and very dangerous.

Thanks again!

	05-12-2002 19:23									#47
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I am wondering is this only a problem for the surfers from Germany? It seems that me and Ralph received it simultaneously!


EDIT: @ Ras, it seems that this is a different problem!

So long...

Last edited by The Pioneer on 05-12-2002 at 19:32

	05-12-2002 19:25									#48
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Dialers aren't a problem if you don't have a modem.

	05-12-2002 19:29									#49
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Dialers aren't a problem if you don't have a modem.

I don't have a modem but DSL, and my router runs on Linux, if that is what you suggest. But I have enough common sense to care about others who still have one.

	05-12-2002 19:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer I am wondering is this only a problem for the surfers from Germany?

Could well be as I didn't get it at all, even if I tried, and it's known that Poly uses targeted advertising with DoubleClick. Markos has apparently configured the ad displaying script so that users coming from German hosts show targeted Amazon.de banner ads for Germans. But I have also noticed that this also seem to count for other banners too as users from Finnish hosts get targeted Finnish DoubleClick ads (e.g. the Kompuutteri Kaikille magazine had recently a Finnish banner ad campaign on DoubleClick and it was seen here too by me).

	05-12-2002 19:33									#51
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph I don't have a modem but DSL, and my router runs on Linux, if that is what you suggest. But I have enough common sense to care about others who still have one.

I understand your concern and I fully agree with you that it's a problem if you have a modem.

	05-12-2002 19:34									#52
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Even if the dialer succeeds to install, it probably can't hurt anyone outside Germany, unless they have the same pre-select 0190... for premium services.

	05-12-2002 19:40									#53
	Suffering from ads?

pioneer, the specific pop-up service is showing specific ads for each country. given that the text is in german(and from this thread), i think it's safe to say that it's shown on german visitors only

	05-12-2002 19:42									#54
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In Finland there's no phone numbers or area codes that start with 1 or 01 as 112 is the public emergency number like in Germany. But it's still for me too a matter of principle if a pop-up window downloads unwanted software to your PC, even if it couldn't do any harm as you're not using a modem.

	05-12-2002 19:44									#55
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I am wondering how Poly looks when you are in a different country?! I'll be in the US over Christmas and if I surf I'll check it out!

So long...

Last edited by The Pioneer on 05-12-2002 at 23:25

	05-12-2002 19:47									#56
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Markos, isn't there any other option for incomes than gambling ads that want to download software? Not because I would be against gambling. Could you finally consider introducing premier memberships that allow access to Poly without ads or maybe give something extra for the subscribers? Or a second alternative would be setting up a donation scheme using e.g. AnyPay and Amazon.com (not PayPal as it's known for fraud).

	05-12-2002 19:47									#57
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: With the money Markos makes from his merchandising? Heck no! the store makes up for only a small part of our revenue unfortunately pop-ups are the opposite... i'll try to tack down the source

Mmmm... should I or should I not belive that? I guess I should, since I did see Markos sitting on the street corner wearing rags and asking for people to put some coins in his Poly cup the other day.

	05-12-2002 19:50									#58
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Markos, what is with all this Xuipter junk that IE keeps telling me to sign and download? I just don't trust poly enough to download this.

	05-12-2002 19:52									#59
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Thawn,

Maybe we should instead launch a more dramatic fund raising campaign. "Be a beggar and save Apolyton." If you volunteer to beg at e.g. your local shopping centre, you will get as a bonus the membership of the "Honourary Apolyton Guild" and a custom title.

	05-12-2002 19:57									#60
	Tired of ads?

quote: what is with all this Xuipter junk that IE keeps telling me to sign and download?

it's hard to give an answer if i dont know more details about it
a screenshot would be a great start....