03-02-2003 15:45									#271
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We can probably just rip him to shreads on the double standards of it all. I posted a 2nd FM poll in the same period, though only after the previous poll had, as far as I knew, been invalidated by the constitution change. And now he wants to do this?

	03-02-2003 15:46									#272
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I don't really care about getting a shredded Pan (that can wait till election time, if it's necessary), I just want FM come next turnchat.

	03-02-2003 15:47									#273
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quote: I strongly suspect that if Archaic had been elected and tried to pull something like this after a Green victory he would have been torn to pieces by the CCCP/STEP before the ink dried on the new poll.

You bet he would have been, and they'd have been right.

	03-02-2003 15:49									#274
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quote: I don't really care about getting a shredded Pan (that can wait till election time, if it's necessary), I just want FM come next turnchat.

Well, a shredded Pan would be a bonus; but invalidating the new poll will prevent him from overturning the last one and produce a shredded Pan at the same time

	03-02-2003 15:52									#275
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Aye, I already moved that the results of the poll not apply till after the 8/2 turnchat. Invalidating it entirely would probably be better, so people could see FM in action before another poll is started. I'm not sure such a motion from me matters, but I can't imagine that he can just get away with this while we pound sand.

	03-02-2003 15:53									#276
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2 birds with one stone. I like, I like.

	03-02-2003 15:57									#277
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quote: Aye, I already moved that the results of the poll not apply till after the 8/2 turnchat. Invalidating it entirely would probably be better, so people could see FM in action before another poll is started. I'm not sure such a motion from me matters, but I can't imagine that he can just get away with this while we pound sand.

Well, given that we could probably gather up quite a bit of support for delaying the poll's effects at minimum, it probably would matter; and we can always start up an amendment to close the loophole if needed. I don't thinka whole lot of discussion would be needed.

	03-02-2003 16:00									#278
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*Points to Lemmy's post in the poll thread*

Perhaps some discussion will be needed afterall.

	03-02-2003 16:03									#279
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*nods* perhaps we're having a stronger reaction than most people will. I'd be happy with closing the loophole, and hoping FM wins this poll. If we get too aggressive/vicious it may reflect badly on us (perhaps rightly so, it's not as if the guy broke any written rules)... not that Archaic has to worry about that

	03-02-2003 16:07									#280
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*Laughs* Indeed. One of the benifits of being an bastard. I've got no reputation to ruin in the first place. ^^;

	03-02-2003 16:24									#281
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Not to be lecturing, but... I imagine it's occured to you that your "reputation" is part of the reason you lost this last election...?

	03-02-2003 16:27									#282
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*Shrugs* Perhaps. Still, I'm not about to make myself out to be anyone than who I really am just in an attempt to win votes. I'm not going to suck up to the electorate.

	03-02-2003 16:31									#283
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I could go into the difference between the act self-examination & change for the purpose of "sucking up" and the act of self-examination and change for the purpose of improving oneself... but I won't, you're too entertaining this way

	03-02-2003 16:37									#284
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*Shrugs* I like myself just the way I am. "Improving oneself" is really just a relative thing.

	03-02-2003 16:41									#285
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True. I had a more appropriate term in mind, but I doubt you care much about "love thy neighbor as you love thyself", or even "be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger".

	03-02-2003 16:52									#286
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Well, Archaic *DID* win an election the term before last. I think the reason he lost this time was just that the CCCP had picked up a few more people, and maybe a few more were a bit ticked off after the events in his last term.

	03-02-2003 17:06									#287
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*nods* I remember the discussion during the election. Looks like he'll have a better chance at getting his old seat back for the March term.

	04-02-2003 14:24									#288
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Let's hope so. I'll have to write up a long speach in advance this time. This has given me a ready made campaign platform, and so has GT's absolute trashing of Pan in debate in the CCCP thread. It's really quite funny. They're getting almost formulaic.

Pan: Blah, blah, [well intentioned unrealistic whimpering], blah, [distortion of free market], blah.
GT: [Structured point by point rebuttal of Pan].
Pan: I know nothing about Economics and little about Politics, but I'm right and you're wrong!
GT: [Detailed description of why Pan is wrong].
Pan: I'm right and you're wrong damnit!
GT: [Detailed description of why Pan is wrong while poking fun at his lack of arguement].
Pan: You're an idiot. I'm right and you're wrong!
GT: [Gives up trying to penetrate the wall of ignorance].
Pan: Yay, I won! I'm right!
All FM supporters:

	04-02-2003 14:55									#290
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*Chuckles*

Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's time to play Hardball with Pan. I'm going to litter my posts towards him with those images I posted before, among others, until no one can look at a Pan post without laughing their head off.

	04-02-2003 15:48									#291
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You'll just be annoying everyone to hell with increasing loading time and it will have a reverse effect...

	04-02-2003 16:07									#292
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The pictures are small enough, and hosted on my own dedicated server running on a connection direct to the Internet Backbone. Maybe it might slow some load times initally, but once they're in cache, it'll be fine.

	04-02-2003 16:14									#293
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Archaic: check your PMs.

	04-02-2003 17:21									#294
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic All FM supporters:

nah, i stopped reading these a loooooong time ago

	04-02-2003 17:39									#295
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^^;

	04-02-2003 23:33									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic it's time to play Hardball with Pan.

You mean you haven't been in the past? ... I mean, some of your posts are more civil than others, but the ones in discussion with Pan are typically extremely clear on your opinion of his argument and arguing abilities

	05-02-2003 05:37									#297
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Nope, I haven't been. To see me play hardball, usually I'd have to be debating against someone like a Christian Fundamentalist YEC. In this situation however, I think Pan's willful ignorance has reached the same levels.

	05-02-2003 06:54									#298
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic To see me play hardball, usually I'd have to be debating against someone like a Christian Fundamentalist YEC.

I get what you mean... but are you sure you mean "debating"? From what I can tell it would be more like "verbally fighting" or "trying to kill each other with words", as I can almost 100% garuntee that neither of you would actually get anything out of the communication

	05-02-2003 13:44									#299
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*Points to Pan's latest post in the CCCP thread*

He's a YEC! A Marxist YEC! Oh, this is indeed rich. *Cracks his knuckles* I haven't had this much fun since I rebutted a JW with his own literature. Tomorrow, I come out all guns blazing. Such wilful ignorance deserves no sympathy or mercy.

See, now under a Free Market, our education system wouldn't be so bad that it could churn out someone like Pan here with some big obvious flaws in understanding of economics, science and logic.

	05-02-2003 13:49									#300
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I'm quite frankly astounded that he would even need to ask "How can someon enot be completely free but still freer." I thought he had at least some basic grasp of elemntary logic. Maybe this is why he's so agaisnt FM; he thinks that freedom come sunder Palnned, and hence anything else is tyranny.