10-12-2002 19:03									#31
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Are we going to do something about this or not? I like Sharpe's solution. If anyone has a better one please speak now. If not, then we should accept it as our team policy in this matter and Jack should ask MarkG to act consequently.

	11-12-2002 03:46									#32
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Let's proceed with Sharpe's solution and do it quickly.

	11-12-2002 06:32									#33
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MarkG we would like for you to further proceed in this matter. I have think that what Shrape suggested is a good way to go about it, but I know that it is up to you and the other team leader that is involved in this.

To others in team. For now please keep this quite. I am not so sure weather or not to say anything at this time, but as was shown that the cheater learned nothing, and just fooled vondrack. Making it public might not be nessecary.

	11-12-2002 23:18									#34
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Well I'm glad this is close to being settled and hope it does not happen agaiin.

	15-12-2002 05:56									#35
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The Psudo-Nimitz should be banned from the Demogame and be sent to Mingapulco for a month, OH, I AM SO PISSED. If one of the teams had anything to do with it they sould be kicked from the game.

	06-01-2003 03:09									#36
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Was this ever resolved?

I just mention this as I have noticed that Trip's behaviour is curious - at first his team flies through their turns quickly and he is very taunting - then suddenly his team takes forever to take their turns and he is very silent - now he seems to be teasing again (witness his deliberate mangling of our beloved Legoland name ) and he is taunting about his quick turns (and our slow ones).

The only other possibility is that he stopped taunting when he met up with another civ - say New Demogyptica - and was worried and now he is in an alliance or coalition or feels more confident about their situation - very curious...

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	06-01-2003 04:17									#37
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Yes, I'd like to know what happened. Could you PM MarkG, Jack? I think we deserve to be informed, at least.

	06-01-2003 05:35									#38
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I will do that. I just want MarkG to know that we want him to proceed in this matter. I will pm him today.

	07-01-2003 10:01									#39
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MarkG has acted on this matter by contacting NYE of GS. Of course he is no longer playing right now, but he says that they found out about this and said one of their own team members was simply trying to test out the security of the chat of both our team and anther one. I will soon post the email reply from NYE as soon as I can.

	07-01-2003 12:49									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www MarkG has acted on this matter by contacting NYE of GS. Of course he is no longer playing right now, but he says that they found out about this and said one of their own team members was simply trying to test out the security of the chat of both our team and anther one. I will soon post the email reply from NYE as soon as I can.

It was someone from GS!

Oh, my... my apologies to the team and person I was unjustly suspecting.

As much as I respect NYE personally and GS as a whole, the explanation sounds a bit lame so far... and certainly does not help to raise their credit in my eyes.

	07-01-2003 13:10									#41
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Yeah, that explination does sound a little weak. It's not like they publicly announced they were doing a security test. I guess it was just for everyone's benefit though. But, hmm, they seem to have forgotten to have told us the results...And, oh, so they got some private team information in the process, I guess that was just an added bonus.

Dang, sarcasm is always hard to manage in text...

	07-01-2003 13:27									#42
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here is the messages between MarkG, me and NYE
also took out emails to avoid spam bots.

quote: Agreed, I should have informed you. I thought that at the time, but forgot about it in the flury of events. For that you have my apologies, personally. Please feel free to post that first message, and this email on your forum. nye From: Jack_www To: notyoueither Subject: Re: Spy attempt on Legoland Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:57:39 -0800 Well i will have to talk to our team about it. Just so you know we have taken steps to secure our communications on IRC so that this does not happen again. I dont see why you did not inform the other teams after your test so we would all know. I would also like to post your email in our team forum for all to see. From: "Not You Either" Subject: Re: Spy attempt on Legoland Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:35:06 -0700 Hello Mark and Jack. I am taking a break from the game right now, but this is serious enough for me to pay attention. I am aware that Shiber did some probing of team security shortly after he joined. He reported to us that he could infiltrate some other teams on IRC. He also went to some trouble to set things up so that we could not easily be infiltrated. When he reported to us, we discussed it briefly and decided that such eavesdropping would be against the pledge put forth by Togas that I signed on to with my team's approval. As far as I know, his experiments were based on hiding presence, and not impersonation (going from memory). I'm not exactly sure what he did, because I do not know a lot about IRC. At any rate, we asked Shiber not to try to infiltrate IRC anymore. As far as I know, he has honoured that request. Is that satisfactory for Jack and legoland, as well as for you, Mark? nye From: Markos Subject: Spy attempt on Legoland Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:34:32 -0500 (EST) Greetings to both. First my apologies to Jack as i'm late in moving forward with this issue. NYE, i'm sad to inform you of an unfortunate incident. On December 6 a member of the Legoland team reported that someone had impersonated on irc another member of the team and got access to the private irc channel. There wasnt a serious leak of information as the game was at the begining but the issue still stands. From the logs of the irc server, i believe the responsible person was Shiber [Dec 01 16:48:30 2002] nickserv/main: Shiber!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net identified for nick Shiber [Dec 01 16:51:12 2002] chanserv/main: Failed IDENTIFY for #VoxControli by Shiber!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net [Dec 01 16:51:14 2002] chanserv/main: Failed IDENTIFY for #VoxControli by Shiber!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net [Dec 01 16:51:23 2002] chanserv/main: Failed IDENTIFY for #VoxControli by Shiber!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net [Dec 01 16:51:26 2002] chanserv/main: Failed IDENTIFY for #VoxControli by Shiber!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net [Dec 01 16:54:16 2002] nickserv/main: IDENTIFY: bad password for Nimitz from nimitz!Shiber@bzq-198-138.red.bezeqint.net As you can see, he also tried to get into the VoxControlli channel, but i'm not contacting them yet as i havent had a complaint about it. Also, there hasnt been any similar incident logged after that. The Legoland team would prefer if this issue was dealt with internally at Gathering Storm, without making a fuss in public. I hope you agree with this Markos Giannopoulos Apolyton.net

	07-01-2003 13:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Yeah, that explination does sound a little weak. It's not like they publicly announced they were doing a security test. I guess it was just for everyone's benefit though. But, hmm, they seem to have forgotten to have told us the results...And, oh, so they got some private team information in the process, I guess that was just an added bonus. Dang, sarcasm is always hard to manage in text...

Well thankfully the spy did not learn any information that we know of.

	07-01-2003 14:18									#44
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Fair enough comments from NYE, however I find it rather disturbing that they are trying to pass it off as a 'security test' on the other teams. I'm pretty sure if Shiber is prepared to go to such lenghts to check our security then whos to say he isn't still trying?

	07-01-2003 16:41									#45
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OK, then, I guess I have now a good idea about what happened. The spying incident apparently started as a personal initiative of Shiber, later rejected by the rest of Gathering Storm team.

I do not care about this "security testing" bullshit. Shiber was obviously ready to play unfair and went to great lengths to get into our room. That puts him on my blacklist from now on. It is also apparent that nye and the rest of the GS team were not told the truth about the way Shiber sneaked in.

I would like to forward the incident description to nye, so that he knows what really happened. I would leave it up to him then whether he takes any actions or not.

Other than that I believe we can consider the case closed.

	07-01-2003 20:03									#46
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Agreed.

	07-01-2003 20:35									#47
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Yep, sounds good. Hopefully we shall hear no more about it....

	07-01-2003 22:20									#48
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Sounds like a good plan to me.

	08-01-2003 03:24									#49
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Wow... I didn't expect Shiber. A fellow C3DG Laborite...

Good plan. Let's close up our end of this fiasco.

	08-01-2003 03:51									#50
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OK, then, I will email nye with the full story and finally forget the bloody thing.

EDIT: I have just done so.

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	08-01-2003 07:34									#51
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Hmm, as much I want to put this aside as well, I feel that nye's description of "testing the security" is lame at best.

Shiber deliberately impersonated Nimitz and now we know that he also attempted to infiltrate Vox Controli as well.

We also know that while he didn't participate in the discussion he did stay in the chat room for a while. If he was "testing the security", why didn't he leave immediately?

Furthermore, if nye has known about it for a while, why didn't he privately bring it up with Jack saying that it was not sanctioned by Gathering Storm and wouldn't continue until now - after he was confronted by Mark (upon our request) about it.

I find the whole matter suspicious at best. Perhaps it isn't the policy of Gathering Storm to do this, but especially with nye's break from the game, who is to say that Shiber won't try something else, especially if he is in a leadership position with Gathering Storm...

I mean with all the veteran players in that team, they don't need to cheat. Sounds like eyes of night in civ2, the guy is a great civ2 MP player, but has been caught cheating at least twice - the question is why?

But if everyone else wants to put it behind us, that's ok. But I would be still a bit wary of Shiber and perhaps Gathering Storm. Frankly I would query Nimitz to see if he wants to go further with this as he is the one who was impersonated.

	08-01-2003 22:08									#52
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I'm fine to leave it internal if he doesn't try again and maybe have nye chew out shiber for faking me. I can asure you though it won't happen again for I've secured my nick better if any one can't identify in 1 min. they get kicked off IRC.

	09-01-2003 08:07									#53
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I agree as well. This little test does not sound very good to me etheir. If something like this happened why not tell everyone so they too can secure their communications too?

	03-03-2003 02:41									#54
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Radek, do you upload the Legoland and Intersite pics on the same server (and if yes in the same place?) or do you use now only the Poly space? If not, are our shots somehow protected?
I'm concerned that some people who know now where you store your pictures, could actually take a look at them.

	10-03-2003 22:57									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Radek, do you upload the Legoland and Intersite pics on the same server (and if yes in the same place?) or do you use now only the Poly space? If not, are our shots somehow protected? I'm concerned that some people who know now where you store your pictures, could actually take a look at them.

Dunno why there is no response by me... I distincly remember putting one together... maybe one of those darn connection problems...

Nevermind:

ISDG pictures are stored at the Poly server, while Lego pictures are partially on www.jimaz.cz, partially on redstar's machine. I plan to move all of them to redstar's machine once I find some spare time (I have run out of space on our corporate server - it's just a rented space of about 30 MB, I think...)

Also, speaking of the spying incident - after my little note in one of the ISDG security threads I knew only Shiber would understand, he PMed me, explaining he was a security freak, always trying to check how easy or difficult it is to break security measures of others... and that he went overboard in this case - he honestly apologized, saying he felt too ashamed to contact me and apologize before. That note of mine broke some barriers and we eventually settled the matter once forever.