14-12-2002 00:35									#31
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Hmmm, I dunno...she looks like she'd be pretty expensive, even for just one night...

	14-12-2002 00:36									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture The Swedish monarchy is rumored to be one of the least expensive in the world - is that true??

That's actually true. The Danish and Norwegian royal families are cheap too, but I assume the Swedish Bernadotte family is the cheapest in Scandinavia, unlike e.g. the Windsors that are expensive after all.

	14-12-2002 11:32									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Only my sick head could notice this, but what would she be doing in conjucture whilst staring at the porn?

Staring as in being the Star of the porn movie.

	14-12-2002 12:08									#34
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Kroppie, I read somewhere that the royal family actually is cost effective. The royal family has an amazing advertizing value (just look at their american tour a few years ago, and the interest it sparked in american swedish descendants), as well as their space filling duties. Countries without royalty has to send their important people to useless duties such as head of state funerals, weddings and such....

If they weren't cost effective though, I'd say Down with the Monarchy!

(BTW, did you know that the first Bernadotte swore an oeath to "fight monarchy in all shapes" about ten years before agreeing to become king of sweden? )

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	14-12-2002 14:06									#35
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Crap Royalist propaganda. It's based on two massive fallacies.

1- Loads of tourists see Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, etc. If we didn't have a monarch, they wouldn't come.

2- It's based on the Royal Family's Civil List income, and doesn't take into account the income from sources such as the Duchy of Cornwall. Nor does it take into account the money that could be raised by selling/renting/using more efficiently the following- Balmoral, Windsor Castle, Sandringham, Clarence House, St James' Palace, The Queen's private art collection, etc, etc, etc.

The arguments that the royal family are cost effective are either an outright lie, or are made by someone with absolutely no grounding in business or marketing.

	14-12-2002 14:07									#36
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Ah- Cyber's talking about the Swdes. Fergit it.

	14-12-2002 14:08									#37
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Sweden's concept of monarchy is great. "Hey! We need a king! Let's have him- he's rich!"

	14-12-2002 16:16									#38
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Norway's royal family is much cheaper. It's like "Why should they get more money than normal people?!"
They get more money of course but not as much as in the class divided countries in europe.

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	14-12-2002 17:37									#39
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Cybergnu: Cost effective, my ass! Their commerical value is something that its defenders brings up from time to time. I don't buy it. I don't see the need for all those "space filling duties", just get rid of them. The opening of the parlament by the king for example means virtually nothing for the political system. It's just pointless in todays world.

And obviously Jean Baptiste Bernadotte swore to fight monarchy, he was in the French republican army.

	14-12-2002 18:03									#40
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I'm surprised they let her 'wear' that gown at the Nobel award function. Most of the laureates that attend are barely alive as it is. That outfit could have wiped most of them out with heart attacks.

	14-12-2002 18:35									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Den sista kungen skall hängas i den siste biskopens gård!!!!

Weren't it the Italian revolutionalists who said "We'll hang the last of kings with the intestines of the last pope"?

Your version is lamer

	14-12-2002 18:42									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Anodyne Weren't it the Italian revolutionalists who said "We'll hang the last of kings with the intestines of the last pope"?

That was Voltaire. (It's one of the Apolyton-quotes )

	14-12-2002 18:45									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Pavlov That was Voltaire.

The philosopher or the apolytoner?

	14-12-2002 18:48									#44
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So did the communists nicked it from Voltaire?

Freedom will be reality when the last beaurocrat is hanged by the intenstines of the last capitalist
(or something to that effect)

	14-12-2002 18:50									#45
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For the pauper a bone, the hanged man a song but for no bastard a throne.

	14-12-2002 20:02									#46
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Nah. Do not Abolished it. Waht would the world do without the irony of a royal dynasty founded by a king who had been a republican revolutionary, a conspiritor to regicied, and who had "Death to Tyrants" tattooed on his arse.

	14-12-2002 20:06									#47
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I kind of like the monarchy the way it is in Norway (and, I guess, Sweden and Denmark). It is nice to have a completely apolitical head of state.

	14-12-2002 20:18									#48
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Oh, and we need a Swedish royal family to invite in Norwegian royal birthdays.

	14-12-2002 20:26									#49
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Yeah it's better to have king or queen as head of state rather than some politician who has elbowed his way to the top.

	15-12-2002 02:18									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Den sista kungen skall hängas i den siste biskopens gård!!!! We produce enough stupid bimbos in this county without govt money.

I'm going to have to move to Sweden.

	15-12-2002 02:23									#51
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Hmm what do you think of THIS :



(look only at your own risk)




This is actually a good picture of her... anyway, she's as boring as you can get (in the princess category anyway)

	15-12-2002 02:25									#52
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Oh and btw that the Belgian princess,

the nerdy ****

	15-12-2002 03:28									#53
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Kroppie, I didn't mean duties like opening parliamnet. I mean international duties. Funerals are the most important ones, I believe. If we didn't have the Knug, we'd have to send the prime minister. Whose time would you rather waste, the guy who can't read, or the leader of the country?

(well, minor details such as Goran Persson leadership qualitites aside.)

As to the advertizing value, I don't remember where I read it... I do know that swedish international companies LOVE the royal family. Their sales usually increase quite a bit when the royal family goes abroad and flaunt the swedish colors... Which is also why the royal familys trips are usually paid for by companies such as SKF (paid for the minnesota tour), Volvo (paid for the californian trip), Bofors etc.

	15-12-2002 03:29									#54
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