16-12-2002 04:44									#31
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu Ekki ekki ekki.... smurfs are blue ... nazinazinazinazi... two elephants were eyewintesses ... why don't you come here and see for yourself ... you learn how elephants are shaped ... think theyare grey?... youre o ignorant... nazi bullshit... blalbalbalba... have a nice day

hi ,

who is the nazi here , ........

well if you would not be such a chicken you would have the guts to come over and see for yourself , but nah , ya aint going to do that , cause with all you BS that comes from you the pals would love to rip you apart in seconds , .................

have a nice day

	16-12-2002 04:48									#32
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My point exactly

	16-12-2002 05:40									#33
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quote: Alan Rickman was the only one that made that movie watchable

Alan Rickman wasn't in Robin Hood: Men in Tights!

And besides it was a good movie beyond that (I love that movie) .

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I'm ashamed at you people! You take a humerous thread and turn it into a political debate?! Stop threadjacking my thread!

	16-12-2002 05:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Alan Rickman was the only one that made that movie watchable Alan Rickman wasn't in Robin Hood: Men in Tights! And besides it was a good movie beyond that (I love that movie) .

The quote wasnt from Robin Hood Men In Tights

It was from the movie it spoofed. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with Kevin Costner as Robin. Don't you read your own thread

	16-12-2002 05:59									#35
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You expect me to read my own thread?!

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You expect me to read my own thread?!

I guess this is poly.

	16-12-2002 07:13									#38
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I am glad that Arafat won't be allowed to go to Bethlehem. What does Arafat care about Christmas? he doesn't. So why should he be allowed to usurp such a sacred Christian tradition for his own political purposes?

	16-12-2002 10:52									#39
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quote: Originally posted by CyberGnu Mandarin, you can trace all that back to when the zionist movement decided to carve out a homeland in land already populated by muslims. Before the zionist movement jews were allowed to practice their religion very openly in muslim countries, and were actually treated a lot better than arabs are treated in Israel today.

CG, Why do I get the feeling you've never actually been to Isreal? MY guess is your just another overly politisized left wing European that lacks real world experience. Am I wrong?

	16-12-2002 11:03									#40
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quote: Why do I get the feeling you've never actually been to Isreal?

Every person I've spoken to that's been to Israel is appauled by how the Arabs are treated there.

	16-12-2002 12:09									#41
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Oerdin, what do you mean with real world experience? Whether I ever participated in the occupation of another country? Whether I ever participated in brutal repression of another people?

I happily say no to both counts.

I have never been to Israel. How would a visit change my mind? Are there palestinians trying to get word out about how much they love the Israeli occupation, and only by going there can I hear their story? Are there unknown works of history, impossible to retell outside the green line, that justify Israel?

And finally, I'm not left wing. In europe I'm considered right wing, in the US I don't fit in a category.

I believe law and civilization are societies main virtues. I believe progressive tax is theft. I believe the goverment should have absolutely no say in a persons personal life. I believe global warming is humanitys greatest threat. And I believe that the United States backing of Israel shows what a people can do with sufficient propaganda and bribe money.

	16-12-2002 12:35									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Why do I get the feeling you've never actually been to Isreal? Every person I've spoken to that's been to Israel is appauled by how the Arabs are treated there.

Imran, could you give us a little more on this? How are the arabs treated worse in Israel that they are by their own governments?

	16-12-2002 13:34									#43
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As most people who live in the "Christian" West don't give a monkeys about the Christian message at Christmas, why are they getting bothered about a muslim pulling a political stunt by wanting to go to Bethlehem.

Then again the Isarelis once again are showing they do not know the 1st thing about PR

	16-12-2002 17:34									#44
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Typical..."Every person I've spoken to that's been to Israel is appauled by how the Arabs are treated there."

Put the bare facts on the table...thats the reply. Inane to say the least. But then why expect any diff from a obviously biased member of the arab world. Hey Hueuji wake up from your slumber *sshole.....at least in Israel they are allowed live,work and vote!....Doubt that a Jew would even survive their first "Shabbat" in your corrupt, overzealous,war-mongering,savage,repressed,dictatorial states of terror!

Your senseless one-line rhetoric is gonna drown you and your allies in their own spit....

	16-12-2002 17:38									#45
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Oh and yes CG is definitely another PC european who needs a reason to find a cause to fight for...real or imagined.

Its always easier to disregard your own filth in the backyard.

Like many of the replies ive noted here....he's spewing typical ignorant,verbal rhetoric they've heard on pro-pal radio,newspapers,media,books.Just because he can no doubt....

	16-12-2002 17:42									#46
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quote: Originally posted by mandarin Oh and yes CG is definitely another PC european who needs a reason to find a cause to fight for...real or imagined. Its always easier to disregard your own filth in the backyard. Like many of the replies ive noted here....he's spewing typical ignorant,verbal rhetoric they've heard on pro-pal radio,newspapers,media,books.Just because he can no doubt....

Easy Tiger

Some people happen to feel that Israel isn't exactly helping itself by what it does, That isn't the same as condoning suicide bombings

	16-12-2002 17:52									#47
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Stinger and i quote.....

Sorry mate hardly strong words...mine were rather apt. Easy to comein and proclaim all the answers/arguments...bloody hell take a look outside at the yorkie landscape...i bet u c bodies strewn around,blood and your'e living under the constant threat of maniacal suicide bombers all the time LOL

Now where exactly does diplomacy/PR come in at that point??!!!!!!

Oh and this is for you....

"From the safest places come the bravest words"

"The Sound"...british band early 80's

	16-12-2002 18:04									#48
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Well I have been evacuated from a building 2 minutes before a bomb went off but that probbaly doesn't count for you does it., I'm sorry that I and my community have not been blown up and maimed, but maybe that allows me not to see everything as black and white.

The Israelis by constantly allowing building on the occupied territories lose sympathy in the west, maybe you don't care about that, but if you want sympathy and support you have to move your position. I and I think most people in the UK at least, support absolutley Israels right to exist, again that does not mean we have to support all of its policies

	16-12-2002 18:21									#49
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"I think most people in the UK at least, support absolutley Israels right to exist, again that does not mean we have to support all of its policies"

Doubt it.....if America didnt back the Israeli goverment for obvious reasons ( shes the only sane goverment in the ME where democracy and freedom of speech exists)
the age-old jew-baiting and slander would return in all its heinous glory aka the middle ages. Do you think that the rhetoric has changed. Not! Its just now PC to bash Israel under the banner of "fighting for peace" rather than outright anti-semetic slander.

Take a look Kosavo....man has learnt scant little...and refuses to see the "real truths" living on lies+deceiptful propaganda about racial groups, religions,etc and basing ntheir support on corrupt financial,political motivations.

Until THEY ALL become more tolerant...at grassroots level up...and i exclude the Jews here....their issue is one of survival....were gonna have bloodshed in the ME.

BTW when i last looked the muslim pop was over 1.2 billion covering most of asia and near east, extremely wealthy in natural resources, etc

Israel and the Jews within (+- 4 million ) on the other hand has sea,salt and sand....but it does have one thing NOONE can take away...and very few rival...an unquestionable strength of resolve never to be defeated or humiliated or oppressed again by anyone,anywhere EVER again!!!

and g-d help those that strike or put their hands on the Jewish people...i think history has well attested to that command.

The romans, germans,spanish....all rose and fell....but the unsurmountable Jews survive.

Now that should give the antis something to scream about and roll their eyes and scream till they hoarse...in vain im afraid....in vain.

	16-12-2002 18:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by mandarin "I think most people in the UK at least, support absolutley Israels right to exist, again that does not mean we have to support all of its policies" Doubt it.....if America didnt back the Israeli goverment for obvious reasons ( shes the only sane goverment in the ME where democracy and freedom of speech exists) the age-old jew-baiting and slander would return in all its heinous glory aka the middle ages. Do you think that the rhetoric has changed. Not! Its just now PC to bash Israel under the banner of "fighting for peace" rather than outright anti-semetic slander. Take a look Kosavo....man has learnt scant little...and refuses to see the "real truths" living on lies+deceiptful propaganda about racial groups, religions,etc and basing ntheir support on corrupt financial,political motivations. Until THEY ALL become more tolerant...at grassroots level up...and i exclude the Jews here....their issue is one of survival....were gonna have bloodshed in the ME. BTW when i last looked the muslim pop was over 1.2 billion covering most of asia and near east, extremely wealthy in natural resources, etc Israel and the Jews within (+- 4 million ) on the other hand has sea,salt and sand....but it does have one thing NOONE can take away...and very few rival...an unquestionable strength of resolve never to be defeated or humiliated or oppressed again by anyone,anywhere EVER again!!! and g-d help those that strike or put their hands on the Jewish people...i think history has well attested to that command. The romans, germans,spanish....all rose and fell....but the unsurmountable Jews survive. Now that should give the antis something to scream about and roll their eyes and scream till they hoarse...in vain im afraid....in vain.

You sound like Hitler doing his one people speach

	16-12-2002 18:40									#51
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Yip and your unable to answer exceot with another one-liner.......now go and play with Civ and dont get involved in things you cant/wont/dont understand lad.

	16-12-2002 18:59									#52
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quote: Originally posted by mandarin Yip and your unable to answer exceot with another one-liner.......now go and play with Civ and dont get involved in things you cant/wont/dont understand lad.

How can I answer any other way, you posted a rambling little piece basicly saying that Isareal could do what it wanted because of the history of its people.

Anyone justifying their actions on this basis is on the way to supporting dictatorship and oppression. Just Like Hitler, he managed to get an entire country to support his appalling policies on the basis that they had a God given right to control the world.

BTW Please don't patronise me as if I was a kid I'm not, disagrreing with my views is fine and should be enough for you

	16-12-2002 19:18									#53
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Im afarid youll have to convince me better than that.!

Youre obviously using another age old defense mechanism that holds no water....bring in the "Hitler" bit.

Once again stinger...is that a referal to your backside...how exactly do you compare an imperialistic vision Hitler had for the entire Europe+world with Israels right to self-survival!

SOmehow you just dont strike me as making ANY convincing arguments.Sorry ill have to wait another 1000 yrs for something meaningful to be ejected from a bigots mouth!

	16-12-2002 19:22									#54
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Mandarin, could you explain a few things to me...

Does Israel need to occupy Gaza and the West Coast to stay alive?

If yes, why?

If no, then how do you justify calling Israel "the only sane government in the ME"?

	16-12-2002 19:29									#55
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Zero,

For that answer i refer you too a recent thread that still continues....

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...20&pagenumber=1

Im not going to try and convince you even if your question was sincerely based....

Israel doesnt want the WB anymore than you or me would want fly-sh*t on our plates.
That said why is it that the rest of the arab world stands by, shouting "murderers,killers" yet do absolutely nothing PRACTICLE i.e rehome/absorb any of them.

OH and btw Jerusalem isnt islams holiest city....but is most definitely is for the Jews.

Still make no sense....??Hmmmm

	16-12-2002 19:31									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Zero-Tau Does Israel need to occupy Gaza and the West Coast to stay alive? If yes, why?

Without the West Bank Israel will be 15 kilometers wide. And the most narrow spots are the most populated areas.

	16-12-2002 19:33									#57
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quote: Originally posted by mandarin Zero, For that answer i refer you too a recent thread that still continues....

Thanks. I don't have time to read it all right now, but I'm sure I can find the answers there.

Eli: Ah, okay. I wasn't aware of that.

	16-12-2002 19:35									#58
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quote: Originally posted by mandarin Im afarid youll have to convince me better than that.! Youre obviously using another age old defense mechanism that holds no water....bring in the "Hitler" bit. Once again stinger...is that a referal to your backside...how exactly do you compare an imperialistic vision Hitler had for the entire Europe+world with Israels right to self-survival! SOmehow you just dont strike me as making ANY convincing arguments.Sorry ill have to wait another 1000 yrs for something meaningful to be ejected from a bigots mouth!

I was simply saying that you going on in this fasion

quote: [SIZE=1] Israel and the Jews within (+- 4 million ) on the other hand has sea,salt and sand....but it does have one thing NOONE can take away...and very few rival...an unquestionable strength of resolve never to be defeated or humiliated or oppressed again by anyone,anywhere EVER again!!!

Means that you sound like a facist dictator.

I don't compare Israel with Hitlers vision, I am comparing what YOU are saying about it.

	16-12-2002 19:40									#59
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Stinger you can compare me to who and what you like....

I dont feel the need to justify Israels right to exist in the face of ignorance and bias. History and the Jews is full of that already mate.When youre ready to read a little history, and i mean HISTORY, not newspapers,TV and the occassional civ game then by all means come on in and put your views across.

Till then lehitrahot (goodbye) and all the best in your obsession with Palestinian oppression!

	16-12-2002 19:44									#60
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I'm not obsessed with Palestinian oppression, I think they are their own worst enemies and actualy have little sympathy for the supporters of terrorrism.

However people who are prepared to blow themselves up must be driven to do it by more than a hatred for another group. The communiites in NI hate each other and kill each other but they don't blow themselves up doing it