21-01-2003 06:52									#31
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Civ3 sucks period

	21-01-2003 07:07									#32
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Is it a requirement to hate Civ3 to post on this forum? I personally like it a lot, and I'm still looking forward to RON a lot.

	21-01-2003 10:23									#33
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CIV toppled itself.. kinda like the Roman Empire, with SMAC being Constantinople.

	21-01-2003 22:40									#34
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Actually, this isn't quite true. It's selling fairly well for a year old game. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second expansion as well as a Gold edition (that includes PTW).

But my point is that RoN is not going to eat into sales of Civ III because in most cases they have already happened. So then what do people mean about RoN toppling Civ. The game has already made a good portion of its profits and received great reviews - how does a game like that get toppled?

	22-01-2003 03:16									#35
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I think that RoN will sell better than Civ3. Then again even a mediocre RTS will sell better than a great TBS game in today's market. (Not that I think RoN will be mediocre. I think it'll be great.)

	22-01-2003 06:23									#36
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Civ3 needs more than public works to win

	22-01-2003 08:33									#37
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I'm sorry Huang, you can say it over and over, but you won't convince those of us who like Civ3 that it sucks. My opinion is that it's the best of the Civ series (sorry, BR, but that's my opinion, and I've played them all (a lot)).

I do think RoN will be very good in a fast play sort of way. In many ways it's not even in the same genre.

	23-01-2003 05:18									#38
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Well, I certainly hope it's better than any game out there when it comes out otherwise it will be a rip off like Civ3 is. I think SMAX is better than Civ3. MOO3 better damn well be the best one yet, because they owe me

	23-01-2003 05:34									#39
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all the civs sucked, smac/x was nice though, the CtPs are the best tbs

	23-01-2003 10:28									#40
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Huang, you trying to get a rise out of people?


About sales numbers, do we have any good estimates for Civ III?

	23-01-2003 11:03									#41
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rts sucks

	24-01-2003 00:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse rts sucks

This is a hybrid rts, like a tbs.

I have trust in Brian Reynolds. I think he was the driving force behind SMAC. I think this will be a very good game.

	24-01-2003 03:51									#43
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Brian Reynolds was the driving force behind SMAC, CIv2, and Colonization. I'm sure he'll make an enjoyable game.

	24-01-2003 06:03									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse rts sucks

wtf? what knid of games do u play?

	24-01-2003 23:10									#45
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maybe he is a hard core TBS player

	25-01-2003 02:55									#46
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I thought everyone on Apolyton was a hardcore TBS palyer.

	25-01-2003 04:39									#47
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I will purchase the game, but will probably only play it occassionally after the initial feverish weekend of playing. RTS just have never kept my attention compared to TBS, perhaps this game will be different.

	25-01-2003 05:47									#48
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i play all genre of games as long as their good

	28-01-2003 04:20									#49
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now I have to say that tbs suck. Have any of you ever been wiped out in one turn in civ 2 by nukes and parratroopers? With tbs you don't have any time to react, while in rts you can launch counterattacks.

	28-01-2003 05:43									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Monkeycheez now I have to say that tbs suck. Have any of you ever been wiped out in one turn in civ 2 by nukes and parratroopers? With tbs you don't have any time to react, while in rts you can launch counterattacks.

The same could be said about RTS. One person quickly rushes another without that person having time to build up enough defenses, army, etc. and the game is quickly over. It is all in how you play the game and how you look at the problem.

	28-01-2003 07:37									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Monkeycheez Have any of you ever been wiped out in one turn in civ 2 by nukes and parratroopers?

No, not in hundreds of games. Although I've taken a few cities by this technique.

	28-01-2003 10:21									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Monkeycheez now I have to say that tbs suck. Have any of you ever been wiped out in one turn in civ 2 by nukes and parratroopers? With tbs you don't have any time to react, while in rts you can launch counterattacks.

i see u hardly ever play Tbs

quote: Originally posted by tniem The same could be said about RTS. One person quickly rushes another without that person having time to build up enough defenses, army, etc. and the game is quickly over. It is all in how you play the game and how you look at the problem.

thats some of what RTS is about, but thats an extreme case

	29-01-2003 02:50									#53
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Huang, he gave an extreme case so I responded with one. However, the rushing in RTS happens a lot more often than the situation he described in a TBS.

Don't get me wrong, I like RTS (currently playing AoM after beating WC3 sp) but there are strengths to both types of games. To say one sucks on a very extreme case is wrong, when there are obvious faults in the other that are not that extreme.

	29-01-2003 04:16									#54
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i agree there, i play both types of the genre

	29-01-2003 05:18									#55
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I would just like to point out that real wars don't happen in turns

	29-01-2003 07:29									#56
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They also don't happen in less than an hour with one person trying to handle everything.

	29-01-2003 08:01									#57
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im not part of this arguement anymore

	29-01-2003 15:34									#58
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I bow out also.

	29-01-2003 19:18									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Monkeycheez I would just like to point out that real wars don't happen in turns

Wait? You mean they changed it?

	30-01-2003 06:19									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba Wait? You mean they changed it?

, but no