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Wow that Primus is also great

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That's odd... Singaporeans I've talked to say that its actually a United Defense M109 hull crossed with an M2 Bradley.


On checking Janes, I think that you may be right. The strange thing is that the Primus doesn't actually *look* much like the M-109
The Singaporeans are rather secretive about their arms manufacture and procurement,* so it's impossible to know what the real story behind the Primus actually is.

*For instance, there are rummors that Singapore has a number of M-60s in secret storage (with the crews being trained in Taiwan) and the 'indigenous' Primus does look an awful lot like the new Spanish IFV. Their offical military budget is also a joke - despite fielding much larger and more sophisticated regular and reserve forces then Australia, Singapore's defence budget is much smaller then the Australian defence budget (US$5 Billion vs the Australian total of about US $9 Billion)

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*For instance, there are rummors that Singapore has a number of M-60s in secret storage (with the crews being trained in Taiwan) and the 'indigenous' Primus does look an awful lot like the new Spanish IFV. Their offical military budget is also a joke - despite fielding much larger and more sophisticated regular and reserve forces then Australia, Singapore's defence budget is much smaller then the Australian defence budget (US$5 Billion vs the Australian total of about US $9 Billion)


There are rumours that Singapore may have also purchased the Merkava Mk 3.

Speculation aside, here's Primus v2

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Australian units by Fairline, Case and Jimmywax

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Singaporeans and Malaysians

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Last post for tonight.

MERDEKA!!!

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Is there a scenario planned for these?

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A Singapore Malaysian conflict.... now there's a new idea!! It would be great to see a scenario based smaller what if conflicts that you don't too often think about. Like Pablostuka's Spanish-Morrocan war scenario.

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Great work, Typhoon!

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A Singapore Malaysian conflict.... now there's a new idea!! It would be great to see a scenario based smaller what if conflicts that you don't too often think about. Like Pablostuka's Spanish-Morrocan war scenario.

If Singapore wasn't supported by the US or Australia, they would be easily devastated.

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If Singapore wasn't supported by the US or Australia, they would be easily devastated.


That axiom also applies to many other nations...

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Singapore's army would easily be able to stop a Malayan invasion.

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I'm betting on a Case reply within 12h.

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There are rumours that Singapore may have also purchased the Merkava Mk 3.


Seeing as the Merkava is optimised for operations in urban terrain and keeping casualties low, I'm more then prepared to believe such rumours. Singapore's AMX-13s and Centurians are very long in the tooth, and they've yet to make any responce to Malaysia's purchase of T-80 equivalents from Poland (unless you count the Apache Longbows which were bought a few years ago ).

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Well, you do have a little bit of insider information there

Re a Malaysia vs Singapore war: Singapore would win the war, and easily. Upon full mobalisation (which aparently takes only a few hours(!)), the Singaporean Army is actually larger then anything Malaysia could realistically field. Singapore's Army is much better equipped then Malaysia's (especially in artillery) and training is ment to be fairly good, with annual Brigade sized exercises being held at the Australian Army's fantastic facilities at the Sholewater Bay Training Area in Queensland. Morale seems to be a problem though in peacetime - however, if the Malaysians turned off the water, then I imagine that morale would improve dramatically.

Furthermore, the Sinapore Air Force is unquestionably the best air force anywhere south of China, and would totally slaughter the RMAF. The Singapore Navy also outclasses the Royal Malaysian Navy.

In short, the 'hot' part of any Malayisa-Singapore war would be over by the time Australian or American forces arrived. Singapore would struggle to win the peace though - the country is too small to keep a large part of it's army mobalised for more then a few days, and any cut-off in shipping and air movements would cripple the national economy.

Incidently, I can't recomend Tim Huxley's book 'Defending the Lion City' highly enough.
Some good websites are:
www.geocities.com/mindef123/index.html
www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9932/history.html
www.geocities.com/toaw_pacific/singapore_mod.html (by some guy called Nick Dowling )
www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/4875/

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Ok, then maybe I was wrong.

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A Singapore Malaysian conflict.... now there's a new idea!! It would be great to see a scenario based smaller what if conflicts that you don't too often think about. Like Pablostuka's Spanish-Morrocan war scenario.


I have actually entertained this idea for a while but unfortuantely I lack the neccessary know how to make a complete scenario...

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Great work, Typhoon!


You are too kind, but like I said before most of them aren't by me. They are the collected recoloured works of various great authors including yourself

And anyway none of the recolours done by me are any good. No matter how much I try none of them are in the standard Civ2 palette

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Is there a scenario planned for these?


Nope... but I certainly have an idea for someone who may want to! What if the TNI led by General Wiranto staged a coup after the fall of Suharto in 1997 and launched an invasion of Indonesia's neighbours?

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If Singapore wasn't supported by the US or Australia, they would be easily devastated.


I wouldn't know much about this...

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Originally posted by Case

Re a Malaysia vs Singapore war: Singapore would win the war, and easily. Upon full mobalisation (which aparently takes only a few hours(!)), the Singaporean Army is actually larger then anything Malaysia could realistically field. Singapore's Army is much better equipped then Malaysia's (especially in artillery) and training is ment to be fairly good, with annual Brigade sized exercises being held at the Australian Army's fantastic facilities at the Sholewater Bay Training Area in Queensland. Morale seems to be a problem though in peacetime - however, if the Malaysians turned off the water, then I imagine that morale would improve dramatically.


Well, you're the expert.

Does anyone have an AMX-13, Scorpion light tank, or PT-76 so that I can finish my collection?

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Okay, so the consencus seems to be any Singapore-Malaysian war would be a dreadfully short and one sided conflict. Fair enough. I still like the idea of a south-east Asian conflict though. What about Singapore versus Indonesia? Indonesia versus the Philipines? Or even better, Indonesia versus Austrailia?

This policically unstable world's just filled with potential conflicts, unfortunatly.

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Has anyone seen a Mi-8 helicopter iocon around here?

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Well, until an Il-38 comes around, or I copy something else, I may have to think about my next project - for which a PT-76 or Mi-8 would certainly be useful. Also, anyone seen a Gaz-69 with DSHK? Or a V-100?

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I'd like to see a US vs. Canada war where the US has to capture Canada in a limited number of turns.

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Yikes!! If there's ever to be a one sided war then surely that would be it. Our only hope would be Great Britain sending reinforcements but I doubt they could come in time. Would make an interesting scenario though...

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I may as well mention I am working on a USA vs the world scenario!

Nothing insulting or current, just think 'V' - that 1980's sci-fi show!

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We want to see a Singapore vs Malaysia scenario!

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I'd like to see a US vs. Canada war where the US has to capture Canada in a limited number of turns.


I started something similar a long time ago, but never got round to finishing it before I got rid of it. However, mine was the other way around; a theatre-based scenario set in the north-eastern US, with Canadian forces having to conquer as much of New England as possible.

Oh, and they had French help, for some reason. Don't ask me why.

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As much fun as that sounds, the Canadian Armed Forces simply aren't strong enough to mount any serious unilateral offensive, especially against the worlds greatest military power.

Your idea does sound pretty interesting though. Paul, was Great Britain involved? To what extent did the French help the Canadians? If we didn't have the help of either the French or Royal Air Force we'd have no hope in a major conflict. If you'd like to start the idea up again I'm sure we could put a pretty awsome game together. Let me know if your interested.

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I am thinking South Park on this - US has 2 units - black US Inf and White US Inf (not being racist, quoting racism. )

Also Curt, USA v the world is almost accurate atm.

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I'm back!
Excelent units everyone, this thread is getting better every day. Here is my latest modest contribution, a study on the venerable BeBro's J7
Gave the Airguard/Fishbed a clean metal paintjob and modified it to it's younger cousins, shown as they fought in 20th century's major warzones:

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Yes, the master is back!

Great job !

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Beautiful.

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I think BeBro, Nemo and all the other great artists would be proud to see how far the humble Civ2 graphics have come.

Nice Mig tanelorn. I think this is the one unit everyone has been waiting for.

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It's one of the tougher post-WW2 planes to create!

Great stuff, Tanelorn!

 
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