28-12-2002 16:48									#31
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El Awrence I sent you an email on how to get the file

	28-12-2002 16:50									#32
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Here is the current playlist:

Denmark: yop73

Ottoman Empire: jim panse

Austria: conmcb25

France: Galvatron

Spain: El Awrence

England: Darius

Sweden: FiGu

Yop starts us out!

And I believe everyone has the information on how to get the file.

Remember this is a playtest! There could be problems and possibly restarts. Share any comments, suggestions here as you play along.

	28-12-2002 16:52									#33
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For Yaroslav and Alibaster (If he still wants to play)

I would be willing to start and play in a second playtest if you both still want to do this one. Pleae let me know.

	28-12-2002 16:54									#34
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Uh, the events file didn't work, and the forts are visible all over the map. And the rules file also doesn't work.

	28-12-2002 16:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by yop73 Uh, the events file didn't work, and the forts are visible all over the map. And the rules file also doesn't work.

Hmmmmmmm, Ill get ahold of Henrik, Ive been so busy trying to get this going, I haven't even opened the file yet.

	28-12-2002 17:02									#36
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Well, I got the events file to work.
But the terrain 2 file still doesn't work. The terrain 1 file however does work.

	28-12-2002 17:05									#37
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Dam it didn't work for me either!

Ill get ahold of Henrik.

	28-12-2002 17:19									#38
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Very strange, the scenario is working fine for me (and the old version still works fine in the other playtest).

What did you do to the events to get them to work?


Would you like to take an ingame screenshot for me (showing which terrains work and which ones doesnt as well as forts, etc)?

The files that seem to be malfunctioning (graphic files) are strangely enough the ones I have not changed from the old veriso and thus they shouldnt affect things.

	28-12-2002 17:36									#39
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Hmm everything works fine for me do we all have the same version?

	28-12-2002 17:39									#40
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Strangely enough I get entirely different error messages from Yop and steve.

Yop has trouble with the events and the graphics.
Steve cannot load the scenario at all if I understand his email correctly.
Galvatron is having no problems at all
Maybe the zip you two (Steve and Yop) downloaded got corrupted?

	28-12-2002 17:48									#41
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Henrik

Everyone downloaded from your website. I was having trouble emailing the scenario to EVERYONE.

Yop and I will try again.

Yop try to download again.

So will I

	28-12-2002 18:07									#42
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About the events: I forgot to copy the rules file into the folder, and after I did that, the events file worked.

The problem with the graphics doesn't have however nothing to do with that.

	28-12-2002 18:11									#43
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Well, after redownloading the file, everything works fine.

	28-12-2002 18:13									#44
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Which Rules?

Isnt the downloaded scenario complete?

Mine seems to be.

I got rules, pedia, events, games.txt files, etc all in the scenario folder.

And after downloading it again it seems to work graphics and all.

So I dont know what you are doing yop you will have to ask Henrik. But I do know all the scenario files have to be in one folder under the scenario directory in Civ II.

	28-12-2002 18:15									#45
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OK Last post obsolete.

Well Yop start us out whenever you get a chance, it is the mysteries of the internet..............

Glad it is working now!

	28-12-2002 18:26									#46
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Atleast it appears things work fine now, which would suggest there wasn't anything wrong with my files

Oh and I suggest playing at the king rather than the prince level with this scenario, should work fine anyway as I have optimized it for pbems

* Henrik makes a note to add this to the readme and labels/game.txt files.

Last edited by Henrik on 28-12-2002 at 18:31

	28-12-2002 19:17									#47
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ok, thanks for letting me participate in your game. i just downloaded the europe21.zip file and the rules.zip from page 2.

let me see if it works ....

	28-12-2002 19:20									#48
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 For Yaroslav and Alibaster (If he still wants to play) I would be willing to start and play in a second playtest if you both still want to do this one. Pleae let me know.

I want to play

	28-12-2002 19:24									#49
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ok, i now unzipped all the files and it works without prompting. i just had a first look on it and it seems to be fine.

have you ever heard/played the scenario about charles V of Spain, roman emperor, king of spain and german king? it looks a bit like the "Carolus V." scenario. anyway, letīs get this party started !!!

	28-12-2002 19:32									#50
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Yes I have, I even know the author of Carolus Invictissimus.
As the scenarios start at the same point the political situation *should* be about the same
The scenario theme, map, length, graphics and tech tree are totaly different tough

	28-12-2002 19:43									#51
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav I want to play

Yaro

I will start a second thread just for you my friend.

Anyone else who wants to play a second PBEM of this look for another thread.

	29-12-2002 01:51									#52
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First impressions:

Church and Cathedral: Why is the 'church' more pacifying than the cathedral?

Several cities in Spain couldn't support a lot of units

The correct spelling for peasent is peasant. I also think the correct spelling for arquebuiser is harquebusier or arquebusier.

Of the trade divisions, call 'Other' something like Tithes or similar... Piety or something.

	29-12-2002 14:36									#53
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the mints you mentioned (Reichstaller) would be better spelled "Reichsthaler". (iīm austrian, my motherlanguague is german)

just for accuracy it would be better i suggest.

	29-12-2002 14:54									#54
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Thought I corrected those typos earlier

As for Spain, that's becouse of the last minute change to make catholic civs suport less free units, I'll fix it right away (as nobody has played their first turn yet).

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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Of the trade divisions, call 'Other' something like Tithes or similar... Piety or something.

Other is short for something longer, check out your tax screen

	29-12-2002 15:14									#56
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I've updated the main download, but here are the modified files:
Just overwrite your old files of the same name with these zipped files

Attachment: updatedfiles.zip
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	29-12-2002 19:00									#57
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Danish troops take up positions near Lubeck. They will try to conquer the city.

Demark proposes a peace-treaty with the Swedes. No demands, no payments, no nothing, just peace.

REMARKS:
Henrik: your placement of the cities in the Low Countries is not really realistic. Antwerp should really border the sea (as it does in real life) and it also should have the center of trade. (it was the most important harbor in the entire region at that time).
I would advise you to remove Ostend, and to place Antwerp at that location and to move Brussels one square to the northeast.

NOTE:
The PBEM is started on King level. (Henrik said the scen was optimised for that) I hope noone disagees.

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	29-12-2002 19:20									#58
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quote: Originally posted by yop73 REMARKS: Henrik: your placement of the cities in the Low Countries is not really realistic. Antwerp should really border the sea (as it does in real life) and it also should have the center of trade. (it was the most important harbor in the entire region at that time). I would advise you to remove Ostend, and to place Antwerp at that location and to move Brussels one square to the northeast.

Antwerp could possibly have been placed on the forest to the north west of where it is now (you're right it should have a port or atleast be on a river ;-o), to place it where Ostende is would be too far west ihmo.
I didn't make it a Centre of Trade to avoid having too many in the Spanish Netherlands (ie gameplay reasons) but that may change in future versions as it certainly qualifies for one (for now I suggest you just play on though)...

Oh and I'd be carefull about attacking the HRE, as the readme states war will automatically be declared on Austria should you take any cities that are part of the Holy Roman Empire...
(Then again one can allways make a non-agression agreement with Austria before attacking )

	29-12-2002 20:30									#59
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Sultan Suleyman is willing to let the european dukes and lords know that he has decided to rid the world from those who are not in the House of Islam.

btw, why the "Supply and Demand" function isnīt working? i wanted to learn where to send my merchants but it wonīt worked?

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	29-12-2002 20:38									#60
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse why the "Supply and Demand" function isnīt working? i wanted to learn where to send my merchants but it wonīt worked?

No problem we don't want to trade with you anyway you lousy heathen