30-12-2002 05:52									#61
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Yes GP... Imran is just running at the mouth again... Even Chicago Pizza Parlors can make better New York style pizza then they make in New York...

	30-12-2002 05:56									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Uhhhh... Imran... Pizza isn't really Italian... that must explain why New Yorkers can't make it right The sales figures I've seen for Pizza Hut were provided by Pizza Hut when we were pitching their advertising business. I have no reason to doubt them.

Actually Pizza is Italian. After the unification of Italy, they made a special dish for the (don't remember if it was the PM or the King) in the colors of the Italin flag. Supposedly that was the first Pizza.

As for whether Pizza is better in NY or Chicago, not sure on that one. I really don't know what the difference is between NY and Chicago style Pizza, although Pizza Hut for a while started selling something called "The Big New Yorker" as one of their Pizzas and that was pretty good. But on the whole even though I've been to both cities I had no idea such a pizza controversy existed........

	30-12-2002 05:59									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui No, it's undoubtably New York style, GP. Perfect NY style crust and almost perfect sauce and cheese.

I had some good Virginia Highlands style pizza last time I was in Manhattan. They are catching on up there...damn yankees. Glavine-thiefs.

	30-12-2002 06:03									#64
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The "first" pizza that you mention is nothing like what is now being served in the US. The Pizza served in the States in not Italian by any stretch...

	30-12-2002 06:04									#65
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Ming is just deluded, Shi. He thinks Chicago style 'parlors' can even be in the same sentance as. New York style pizzarias.

Chicago is deep dish crap pizza. New York is regular pizza. You had the Big New Yorker... a large pizza with a medium sized crust. You can get a decent slice at a Sbarro's.

	30-12-2002 06:32									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ming is just deluded, Shi. He thinks Chicago style 'parlors' can even be in the same sentance as. New York style pizzarias.

No... I said they were BETTER

	30-12-2002 06:33									#67
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See how deluded he is. He is now claiming Chicago 'parlours' are better than New York pizzarias. Let's let him sink into Alzheimer's by himself .

	30-12-2002 07:18									#68
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"Chicago is deep dish crap pizza. New York is regular pizza. You had the Big New Yorker... a large pizza with a medium sized crust. You can get a decent slice at a Sbarro's."

Now Sbarro's is a really good pizza, and we do have that here. I will have to try a Chicago style pizza for me to judge though.

	30-12-2002 13:33									#69
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You can't seriously be arguing whether pizza is originally Italian or not?

	30-12-2002 13:46									#70
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New York pizza is horrible. It is too thin!! I have to eat like 20 slices to fill up

Chicago deep dish is alright. Different, but good.

here in Vegas we have Detroit style pizza. I never had it. What is detroit style?

	30-12-2002 14:22									#71
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I'm in agreement with Ming, Chicago-style is a thousand times better than that horrid New York rubbish.

	31-12-2002 01:45									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Actually Pizza is Italian. After the unification of Italy, they made a special dish for the (don't remember if it was the PM or the King) in the colors of the Italin flag. Supposedly that was the first Pizza.

Pizza as we know it, bread crust, tomato sauce, and mozzarella is indeed Italian. It was invented in Naples in the 19th Century. A Neopolitan chef created a pizza for the Queen Magarita using tomatos, basil, and Mozzarella, the colors of the Italian flag. This is techincally pizza magarita (he named it after the Queen). Pizza is actually older than this, but what we think of as pizza is this dish.

Pizza was imported to New York at the begining of the 20th Century. The first resteraunt to serve it still exists and still makes the original pizza magarita, as well as other types of pie.

Chicago style pizza, contrary to national opinion, is not deep dish pizza but stuffed pizza. It is a deep dish pie, but it is not a super thick crust like most people around the country believe, and it has a thin layer of crust on top, covered with tomato sauce. The "toppings" go inside (Pizzeria Uno/Due and Gino's East don't add the second crust but the sauce still goes on top).

This style of pizza was invented by the founder of Pizzeria Uno's in the 1940s, after he had pizza in New York during the war. Chicago style pizza is much more intensely falvored than New York or Italian pizza. When a trio of pizza experts from Naples toured the US, they declared that Chicago style pizza was horrible, "like a volcano going off in your mouth." They said New York style pizza was much closer to true pizza, and they were promptly shown the exit to the city and told never to return.

What is important in what they said, however, is that they prefered the blander New York style pizza, and as most Americans know, bland-er is inferior. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Imran. Outside of New York or Chicago, pizza is pretty much crap in this country, so even NYC pie is better than nothing.

	31-12-2002 01:54									#73
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quote: What is important in what they said, however, is that they prefered the blander New York style pizza, and as most Americans know, bland-er is inferior.

Since when is blander worse? Would you rather have 'intense' bread than bland bread? I sure wouldn't. It's why we prefer cheese pizza to anything else! Like you said pizza experts from Naples perfered New York pizza. True pizza .

	31-12-2002 02:00									#74
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Leave it to a New Yorker to prefer bland... and also defend it...

	31-12-2002 02:00									#75
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I eat Brownberry Stone Ground Wheat bread. It's intense. So is rye. So is any good bread compared to white bread. (Actually, I bake my own now because it's cheeper.)

	31-12-2002 02:01									#76
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Well che... Imran probably prefers white foam core bread to homemade bread. The foam core is probably just bland enough for him

	31-12-2002 02:12									#77
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"Outside of New York or Chicago, pizza is pretty much crap in this country"

Not true. You can get decent Pizza here.

	31-12-2002 02:53									#78
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You want bad pizza? Try England. The concept of pizza where I live doesn't really extend much beyond Pizza Huts or frozen pizzas from the supermarket. This isn't good pizza. It's barely tolerable pizza. It's a horrific abomination to the concept of pizza. I only survive on two thin threads of salvation:

1) There is a small place in town run by an old Italian couple that makes proper Italian food. Unfortunately, they don't do individual slices of pizza, so I mainly order calzones when I'm there.

2) The larger cities must have authentic and proper pizza. It's my bad luck for being stuck in a provincial town.

Oh, and the best pizza I've had was in Rome, Italy.

	31-12-2002 03:17									#79
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quote: I eat Brownberry Stone Ground Wheat bread. It's intense. So is rye. So is any good bread compared to white bread. (Actually, I bake my own now because it's cheeper.)

Wheat bread is intense?

Wheat bread is blander than White! It's more of a moderate taste. It's all I eat, as a matter of fact.

And what is the most popular food in American? Hamburgers. Can you think of anything MORE bland than that?

Bland comes from the Latin 'blandus' which means caressing and flattering. It is moderate. Intense is extreme. I'm sorry, but when I want an 'extreme' pizza, I'll go for California style.

Speaking of which, I assume you all like California style pizza because it is more intense than Chicago style. After all, bland is worse right?

	31-12-2002 03:27									#80
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SO when am I going to see you have spinich and potatoes on your pizza che and Ming? Hmmm, don't you want the 'intense' flavor?

Intense is good for somethings, but definetly NOT pizza!

	31-12-2002 03:36									#81
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Whether you like Chicago Style or New York Style, nothing beats California Style, the worst pizza on the planet.

ACK!

	31-12-2002 03:41									#82
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But it's not 'bland' .

	31-12-2002 03:43									#83
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And, for the record, I like Chicago style.

ACK!

	31-12-2002 03:45									#84
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But you don't need a fork and knife for New York style (well maybe two hands so when you pick up the crust, the rest of the pizza doesn't droop... of course you could always fold the crust part), so you can hold your beer at the same time .

In Atlanta I have to make due with Papa John's. But at least that's based on NY style .

	31-12-2002 03:58									#85
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Papa Johns. Why don't you just say "Dominos is the best pizza ever," and leave it at that?

	31-12-2002 03:59									#86
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Papa John's is ten time better than any chain pizza out there.

Dominoes sucks, Pizza Hut sucks, Uno's sucks. Papa John's is only decent chain pizza.

	31-12-2002 04:10									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Papa John's is ten time better than any chain pizza out there. [sic] Papa John's is only decent chain pizza.

I see. Your base of 'knowledge' regarding pizza revolves around national chains. Pretty much says it all, don't it?

And there's a Pizzaria Uno is Indy. It is horrible damn hoosiers can't even make a decent sauce. You'll have to go to the original to get the real thing, it seems.

	31-12-2002 04:16									#88
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quote: Your base of 'knowledge' regarding pizza revolves around national chains.

Um no... I specified pizza CHAINS because I was only refering to chains, because you really know about local NY pizzarias. DUH

I could tell you about Michealango's or Orlando's or (in Atlanta) Fellini's or Moe's, but like you'd know what I was talking about?

Use some sense, will ya?

quote: You'll have to go to the original to get the real thing, it seems.

Sucks that you are so far from New York, then, doesn't it .

	31-12-2002 04:22									#89
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I HAVE been to NY, so don't leap to any conclusions. And I was quite underimpressed by what they called "pizza".

	31-12-2002 04:25									#90
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You've been tainted by Chicago tastes .

A New York slice is the closest thing to heaven you'll ever taste, bub .