03-01-2003 01:17									#31
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"You get told all the time that women can't handle machines and so forth as well as men and then you just think back for five freaking seconds to those classes in school with the sewing machines and you know it's just stereotypical crap"

Where did I say that women cannot operate machines? I've said that women tend to be more nimble in their actions ( that is that they tend to operate machines better )

	03-01-2003 01:21									#32
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Of course women can use sewing machines. Women are put on this earth to sew things!! along with cooking, cleaning, and washing.

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	03-01-2003 01:39									#33
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Az.: No I didn't say you said it. I was making a general statement based on personal experience.

As I said, you might not be a bigot for holding any of your views. However if we are frank and look at it all from a scientific point of view they are near impossible to test in reality. At least if you are to make a general statement about women as such not some kind of social constuction (and this can be changed).* A hypothesis about women or any other human group can't be made outside the context these groups are living in. It's thus almost impossible to say if any statistical significant difference is due to their physical nature or cultural and social behavior. Futhermore there's a need for solid theories to explain why that's often lacking. We have to remember this as we make statements about such tings. As I, as a complete amatuer, can't see that strong support for the hypothesis I go for the H0; there is no significant difference.

* I might point out that I'm a critic of most feminist theories and much postmodern humbojumbo in general but I do have to aknowledge that humans live in a society that affects them.

	03-01-2003 01:50									#34
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quote: Originally posted by FemmeAdonis those who claim "I am more mature than you" are truly the more immature ones.

How true, how true........

	03-01-2003 01:56									#35
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In that case I'm ten times more immature than the rest of you!

(that makes me more mature than you all, right?)

	03-01-2003 03:06									#36
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no

	03-01-2003 03:14									#37
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Bods,

Actually I agree with you here.

20 years ago I *would* say that women mature alot faster than men. However, I would say that today's girls, while usually on average are maturing faster than men, are getting into just as much trouble as the guys now. Alot of them are staying in that "party stage" well into their early 30s. Now that's all well and good, do what you want with your life, but if there is a kid involved, that's just messed up. (Not that daddy isn't equally as guilty of neglect here, just in the past the guys would go out and play but now the guys AND the women are BOTH out to lunch with their kids).


On another note, I think the original feminism is great, it's the "anti-men" breed of feminism that I have a problem with.

There is a great spoof on the Simpsons where they make fun of an Oprah-like show:

Oprah: "Today's subject: men"

Audience (in unision): "Booooooo!!!"

	03-01-2003 03:53									#38
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Stop listening to conservatives and you won't hear about feminiests who bash men anymore. It's certainly not a mainstream feminist message. It would be like saying America used to have a great message, but since they all started talking like Jerry Falwell . . . .

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	03-01-2003 04:04									#39
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Who says I'm listening to conservatives? The garbage I'm talking about is coming straight from the camel's/horse's/whatever's mouth.

You probably think I got that message from Rush Limbaugh and his "feminazi" ramblings. I haven't heard a word that man has said since 1992.

You know as well as I do the loudest bunch of them are also the most radical. If the mainstream has a more moderate stance then it certainly gets drowned out by the more proactive ones who spout out a message riddled with oppression, entitlement, and anti-males.

I don't think you understood what I initially, said, as I was being very specific to a specific branch of the feminists, and NOT throwing a blanket statement over all of them. We are really on the same page.

But I don't need to explain myself to you.

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	03-01-2003 04:10									#40
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That's nothing compared to the Apolyton myth that things Nimrod says are worth arguing about...

	03-01-2003 04:31									#41
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I'm assuming you mean emotional maturity. IIRC, it's pretty much accepted that women mature physically, faster than men.

My observation is that up to age 23, women are more mature than equivalent-aged men, and at that age, the pendulum begins to swing towards men being more mature. But then, that's just based on observing people I know.

	03-01-2003 05:10									#42
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I put it to you all that wasting time posting on Apolyton and playing computer games is an immature activity. The fact that so few women engage in it shows that they are more mature than us.

If you want maturity, Boddingtons, try becoming a dad. That certainly speeds up the process.

	03-01-2003 05:14									#43
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Nah, they just have a different version of wasting time and it's called shopping.

	03-01-2003 07:25									#44
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Don't ask me. I'm a Capricorn. We're famous for aging backwards. When I was young, I was very mature but now

	03-01-2003 10:55									#45
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Yes, I hate women too.

Can't defend it, won't defend it, I just hate the little *****es.

	03-01-2003 11:14									#46
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Edited by MtG:

Chill with the sex talk, or take a week off to see if you can't actually do something about your fixation.

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	03-01-2003 11:18									#47
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and you say you want to be a Moderator?

Bloody hell, I guess you're what remains of that famous American red blood

	03-01-2003 11:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident (and edited by MtG)

	03-01-2003 11:28									#49
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This is absolutely true.

Consider that until very recently in human history, women got married at the age of 13. Then pregnant at 14. Natural selection dictated that women (girls by todays standard) whose bodies were not mature enough to handle childbirth unfortunately died.

Therefore there is an evolutionary reason why women mature at a much earlier age than men.

	03-01-2003 12:46									#50
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Had my ESP thread closed, what a shame.

Anyway, not to threadjack-

What is the definition of maturity? Physical maturity seems to mean to take on adult physical attributes, but can the same be said for emotional maturity? That to be an emotionally mature person one should resemble the emotional state of most adults?

The next question this definition initiates is the constitution of an adult's emotional state.

From what I can see this means a few things:

1. Settling down to raise a family, stable job, stable home life, etc. A mature adult should be able to provide for their family.

2. Ability to cope with changes/unplanned events. If things do not go as planned a mature person should adapt quickly.

3. Empathy- ability to care for other people, to recognise their needs and wants.
in addition to your own.

4. Direction/purpose. Most adults know what they want to do with their life, they have already decided where they are headed and have made some kind of plan.

5. Mortality- recognition that death prevails, that people only have so much time to live life, that they can be hurt or killed.

That's all I can think of right now.

	03-01-2003 12:49									#51
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I don't have any specific comments but I think those are all pretty measures of maturity. 2 and 3 are especially important.

	03-01-2003 21:02									#52
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Who wants to be mature?

	04-01-2003 13:05									#53
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hey who edited my post.

I didn't use any bad words. And it really didn't deal with sex. What I said could be interpreted in any number of ways.

And who reported me? I think those with the problem are the ones that cannot handle anything the remotely deals with sex (again what I posted didn't necesarily deal with sex). Yet posters can post about murder, drugs use, and have handles like Albert Speer.

And yes maturity is overrated.

	05-01-2003 05:40									#54
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Well, I never argued the desireability of maturity, merely the content. The more you know what maturity is, the easier it becomes to avoid.

	05-01-2003 10:09									#55
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"Don't ask me. I'm a Capricorn. We're famous for aging backwards"
We are? Hmmmm, that makes a bit of sense considering that when I was young I was quite "adulty".
On the other hand, I don't feel it's me becoming more immature. Rather I feel that as I grow older I recognize the appropriate times when I can loosen up and not be very mature, and the times which I should take seriously and be the wicked buff super-hero or whatever.

	05-01-2003 10:28									#56
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I think that girls and boys face different challenges during their adolescent years and so mature in different ways. A girl is more likely to be forced to mature oweing to her role as a mother. It's easier for a boy to neglect his parental duties. In the workplace they're pretty much equal. After high school they're pretty much equal in school too.

	05-01-2003 13:47									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Yes, I hate women too. Can't defend it, won't defend it, I just hate the little *****es.

looks like you get...NONE

BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, and we little *****es hate you!

	05-01-2003 18:04									#58
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One of them, either men or women, will be earlier mature. Not because of any biological things, but because they are raised in a different way. When they are raised in different ways there is a high chance that one of the sexes will be mature before the other in that special society.