05-01-2003 22:15									#31
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Seriously, it is a bad thing for Bush to be assasinated (aside from the fact that he's a human being). The death of the President by a terrorist would have severe reprecussions politically. The last thing we want is Bush to become a martyr (which is probably what will happen.)

	05-01-2003 22:39									#32
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He won't be assassinated IMO... he'll lose in 2004 and fade away into the Corporate world just like his daddy (present oil liason between American corporations and the Saudi's I might add).

	05-01-2003 22:43									#33
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I think he could make it. The key to this is if he kickes out Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadam Insane.

At which point it would be fun to see which Democrate becomes the sacrifical lamb.



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	05-01-2003 22:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I think Cheney is more likely to kick the bucket. Especially if he remains VP after the next election.

how many re-elected presidents didnt' carry over the VP?

	06-01-2003 04:52									#35
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A few - FDR had 3 different VP's in his time. There's been a few others, IIRC.

BTW, if this thread takes on the character of either a "dead pool" thread, or someone starts posting crap wishing, advocation, or speculatively talking about Presidential assassination, the thread will be gone.

	06-01-2003 05:01									#36
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I thought this thread was about whether he would survive politically. In which case everything hinges around Iraq. Sadly I can see him being reelected if there is an offensive against Iraq, and thus this is just one more reason there should be no such offensive. If not then I hope for all our sakes that he is GONE within a few years, and we can have someone who knows the definition of cooperation as the leader of the free world.

Oh, and John Howard can go with him too. :doitnow:

	06-01-2003 06:19									#37
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In worst case he could be elected three times. It would be realy bad. (BTW what he need to do for his third election? Congres support?)

I hope he will botch invasion to Iraq and angry crowd would force him to do a lill' abdication.


"advocation, or speculatively talking about Presidential assassination, the thread will be gone."
MichaeltheGrea don't wory who would post such thing? We are all just bad english writers with unclear pronounciation.

	06-01-2003 08:21									#38
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quote: Will Bush survive his Presidency?

One hopes not.

The best thing to do would be to crash a couple of planes into the national conventions of both parties. Not that I'd ever condone that, just that it'd be a good idea

I think I can advocate assassination, its sort of free speech, not that I'd ever do such a thing, its just a good idea.

	06-01-2003 14:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by raghar In worst case he could be elected three times. It would be realy bad. (BTW what he need to do for his third election? Congres support?)

The 22nd Ammendment prevents that. To change it would probably require another Ammendment.

	06-01-2003 16:01									#40
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If Bush were a real "kingmaker,", he would pick his successor now and make him VP for his next term. FDR did this with Truman, Eisenhower with Nixon and Reagan with Bush. Carter (Mondale) and Clinton (Gore) tried but failed, primarily because these gentlemen were not presidential material to begin with.

Cheny makes a good VP, but his health and age rule him out for president.

Frist is looking real good, now. He might be a good choice for VP in 2004 and president in 2008.

	06-01-2003 18:20									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Clinton (Gore) tried but failed, primarily because these gentlemen were not presidential material to begin with.

Half the population of the US disagree with you else Gore wouldn't have been a whisker away from being President.

	06-01-2003 18:46									#42
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Gore would be useless as Pres. Bush is doing well.

	06-01-2003 18:48									#43
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MtG -
I would never advocate the death of anyone, but isn't it a double standard to say people aren't allowed to hope for the death of him but are for Bin Laden? You yourself had such an avatar.

Yes, Bin Laden is a very evil man but Bush has had more people killed, so in some people's eyes he could be seen as just as evil.

Just thought I'd bring up that point.

	06-01-2003 18:54									#44
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Bush has had more people murdered? Yeah right. Name them.

	06-01-2003 18:59									#45
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The civilians of Afghanistan. More were killed there than in the towers, so some would see that as worse.

Not saying this is my opinion, just making a point that it's a little hypocritical to allow the advocation of death of some people, but not others.

	06-01-2003 19:03									#46
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Where are your numbers? Facts? No-one advocated the killing of civilians in Afghanistan, that was just an unfortunate by-product of America's success.

	06-01-2003 19:07									#47
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The numbers were around 4000-5000. I'm not goin to debate this with you, as soon as you start losing a debate you say you're bored and leaving (very Cartman-esque).

It was directed at MtG, not you.

	06-01-2003 19:08									#48
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I have never left a debate, nor lost one, especially not with you. You still haven't posted a link so those numbers are probably faulty.

	06-01-2003 19:18									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I have never left a debate, nor lost one,

Priceless.

	06-01-2003 19:52									#50
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quote: Cheny makes a good VP, but his health and age rule him out for president

Not to mention the fact the man is just downright creepy.

	06-01-2003 20:03									#51
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon The numbers were around 4000-5000.

What numbers?

	06-01-2003 20:16									#52
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The numbers he likes to spout to make it seem like freeing a dictated people is one of the great crimes of humanity.

America-haters.

	06-01-2003 20:41									#53
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So the fact that I, as an American, think that treatment of innocent Iraqi people through war and sanctions has bordered on atrocity automatically makes me an "America-hater".

As usual, your logic is impeccable.

	06-01-2003 20:44									#54
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America cares as much as she should do about the Iraqis, it's Saddam who doesn't.

	06-01-2003 20:44									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave As usual, your logic is impeccable.

Given the fact that the sanctions aren't responsible for the plight of the Iraqi people, I'd have to say it is a little early to break out the .

	06-01-2003 21:10									#56
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quote: America cares as much as she should do about the Iraqis

Oh, we care alright. Cared enough to bomb the sh*t out of every critical piece of infrastructure they depended on. Then cared enough to reduce them to a sub-Haiti standard of living through the worst set of sanctions ever inflicted upon a civilized people. Then cared enough to say it's all saddam's fault in some cynical blame game that did nothing to either undermine saddams power or help the Iraqi people.

And as if we possibly couldn't show we care enough, we're gonna bomb the sh't out of them again!

quote: Given the fact that the sanctions aren't responsible for the plight of the Iraqi people,

At what point does the welfare of the Iraqi people trump the obstinance of their leader? Sanctions have never been effective for various reasons.

	06-01-2003 21:13									#57
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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave Then cared enough to reduce them to a sub-Haiti standard of living through the worst set of sanctions ever inflicted upon a civilized people. Then cared enough to say it's all saddam's fault...

Northern Iraq seems to be doing just fine while opperating under the exact same sanctions.

	06-01-2003 21:42									#58
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quote: Sanctions have never been effective for various reasons.

Would you rather have had the US go into Iraq in 1992 for violations of the peace agreement and remove Saddam with force then?

	06-01-2003 22:18									#59
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quote: Northern Iraq seems to be doing just fine while opperating under the exact same sanctions.

Sanctions in the north have not been enforced in nowhere near the same degree as in the South-Central regions, and the border is much more porous as well. Even though the North has 15% of the Iraqi population, It has 50% of Iraqs most productive, arable land. This part of the region also receives currency assistance, while the rest recieves only commodities. I can go on and on and....

quote: Would you rather have had the US go into Iraq in 1992 for violations of the peace agreement and remove Saddam with force then?

Well gee Imran, maybe after 3 years or so, when it became readily apparent that Saddam wasn't about to budge, a new, more forceful resolution could've been tabled?

Instead, the Western chose to ignore the dire warnings of just about every prominent human rights organization about the plight of the people and continue to play the blame game. Bureaucracy and petty power politics in the UN oversight committees also share a burden.

	06-01-2003 23:21									#60
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No, he won't, because we Illuminatti have nearly completee preperations for our constitutional coup to make him El Presidente for Life.