07-01-2003 00:17									#91
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Sorry, never ready for handmelon.

Pardon my troll, Raymond lovers.

	07-01-2003 01:15									#92
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There was a third option for Matt Allen... Fall on the ball, be touched down by the diving Niners defenders trying to block the kick (don't laugh, you try coming to a stop in mid-air) and using that last time out of theirs.

	07-01-2003 01:50									#93
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And guess what, the situation got even more interesting...

I just heard from a coworker who's been listening to sports radio up here that the NFL is saying the refs blew the last play in the Giants/49ers game big time... Rich Seubert, the man who Matt Allen tried to throw the ball to, had lined up as an eligible receiver on that play and was interfered with as he tried to catch the ball, so there should have been offsetting penalties (the penalty called against the Giants was on a different player, not Seubert) and the Giants should have had another crack at the winning field goal.

Ouch. And it's just been confirmed by Sportsline.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6107476

Well, there goes any chance Fassel was going to get the hook... and here comes another offseason of a team and its fans screaming bloody murder about how it got screwed by the refs...

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	07-01-2003 01:52									#94
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The best option is to...

FIRE FASSEL!!!!

I hope some of you remember my earlier posts, where I said he alwyas finds a new stupid way to lose, that only a boob would have happen to him.
Here it is again.

The Giamts have two of the better young cover corners in the NFC, Allen and Petterson.
Instead of putting one or both on Owens in man all game, Fassel played zone, the niners smartly moved Owens into the slot reciver spot, so the Giants number THREE corner or a LB had to cover, and that is Seahorn, a fading overated player.
Third down after third down, there was Owens catching the ball and making the down.
Fassel did NOTHING to adjust to this.
Nothing.

Rabbit, the Giants had worse coaches in my lifetime, Reeves, Handley, McVey, quite a list.
That means nothing, the Giants will NEVER win with Fassel.
Yesterday showed why, even with the best offense in the playoffs the Giants ever had, he couldn't protect a 24 point lead for 18 minutes.
The man is a horrible coach.

I do say congrats to frisco, Garcia has guts and talent, and deserves to move on.
Owens is a punk, the league needs to get on him, and Shocky also, this strutting "in your face" stuff has to stop.
Whatever happened to sportsmanship?

	07-01-2003 02:37									#95
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And to think, the Niners SHOULD be at home right now.



I do not see the G-Men in the playoffs at all without Fassell stepping in and taking over play calling this year.

His main fault is that he let his team get out of control on him yesterday. He has had this happen to him before.

But if you fire him, who ya gonna hire?


P.S. On Mark Bulger: I hope the Rams keep him, and I really doubt that leaking that info to the public had any other purpose than to scare off suitors that aren't serious.

	07-01-2003 03:12									#96
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The Jets will be TOUGH! They are at the top of their game now.

	07-01-2003 04:39									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 The best option is to... FIRE FASSEL!!!!

I really think that belongs in your sig, Chris...

(That way, you might post something else occasionally. )

	07-01-2003 05:35									#98
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You could tell me I'm better off with Ol Jim, 7 years now, and we see the Giants losing their cool in the play-offs, and mistakes in the special teams, the EXACT same problems Fassel had in his FIRST year, when he blew a big lead to the Vikings.

Fassel is amazing, if there is a way to screw up, he will find it.

	07-01-2003 06:00									#99
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I thought that time had run out. If there is a penalty, do they add time to the clock?

	07-01-2003 06:07									#100
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The game can't end on a defensive penalty.


ACK!

	07-01-2003 06:08									#101
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Oh nm.

	07-01-2003 12:55									#102
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There would/should have been one final play at the 23 yard line with no time remaining.

Chris how can you say to fire Fassel. The Giants could have won that game with another kick!!!

I'm a 49'rs fan, but I admit they got extremely lucky with the officiating.

	07-01-2003 15:20									#103
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I like this quote.

"Woulda, shoulda, coulda. I'd have done the same thing again,'' Okeafor said. "I wasn't going to let him catch it, score and be over then. I was at least going to make them use another play, give us another chance.''

	07-01-2003 18:53									#104
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quote: The NFL's official statement Monday regarding the final play of the 49ers' 39-38 playoff victory over the Giants on Sunday: A videotape review by NFL Director of Officiating Mike Pereira of the final play -- the Giants' 41-yard field goal attempt with six seconds remaining -- determined the following: Tam Hopkins, No. 65, of the Giants lined up as the left guard and was illegally downfield on the pass attempt. The three flags thrown on this play were for this penalty. Guard Rich Seubert, No. 69, was an eligible receiver on Giants field-goal attempts. This was reported to the officiating crew prior to the game as is routinely done before every game. 49ers defensive end Chike Okeafor interfered with Seubert downfield when he was attempting to catch Giants holder Matt Allen's pass. This defensive pass-interference penalty against the 49ers was not called. If defensive pass interference had been called, there would have been offsetting penalties (ineligible receiver against the Giants and pass interference against the 49ers) with the down replayed at the original line of scrimmage, the San Francisco 23-yard line. Although time had expired, a game cannot end with offsetting penalties. Thus, the game would have been extended by one untimed down. One additional note on the play: Allen did not have the option of spiking the ball to stop the clock, which only can be done by taking a hand-to-hand snap directly from the center. If Allen had spiked the ball, it would have been a penalty for intentionally grounding the ball and the game would have ended due to a 10-second runoff of the clock

Thats from ESPN>

Good to see that all the commentators and post game analysts on TV know their Football rules.

	07-01-2003 18:57									#105
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Yeah... the NFL even sent an "official" apology to the Giants. Not that it changes anything, but they did apologize. The Bears have a bunch of those

And while he couldn't have spiked the ball, he could have just laid down on the ground, and called their final time out.

	08-01-2003 00:01									#106
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He could also have
1. thrown an incomplete pass to an eligible receiver (kicker, off-the-line blockers)
2. rolled out of pocket (as he did) and throw it out of bounds
3. fall into an opponent (rushing attempt) and call the last timeout.

What I don't understand is how the back judge blew the Extremely Obvious interference call.

BTW -- Kudos to the Giants for not whining too much even after the excuse was there. I guess they know darn well that they choked in many ways -- as a team.
(Yeah, Chris, we know most of them involved Fassel, but he wasn't on the field.)

	08-01-2003 00:05									#107
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I knew they couldn't spike it, I saw that new runoff rule earlier this year.

Gee, it sure makes me feel better knowing the league admits they are incompitent in playoff games.

Ginats got hosed, but it shouldn't have come to that, you can't let a 24 point lead slip away, you would have to be a grade A idiot....in other words, FASSEL.

	08-01-2003 00:08									#108
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Jeez, it's not all Fassel's fault.

Without Fassel, there is no Kerry Collins, and the G-Men would be sitting at home EVERY year.

You guys went to a Super Bowl a few years back, and Fassel did a great job that year. Maybe you read the NY papers everyday, and hear all of the nitpicking, but from the outside looking in, things are not that bad.

At least your team is IN the playoffs. Or was...

	08-01-2003 01:19									#109
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Bringing up the superbowl only makes me loathe Fassel more.

The Ravens had the best D in NFL history, so what is Fassel's game plan?

Low percentage deep pass plays!

Result?

Collins throws four picks, way to go Fassel!

The man is an idiot.

	08-01-2003 01:22									#110
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The reason Kerry Collins turned it around is because he decided to only get drunk 4 days a week instead of 7.

	08-01-2003 01:25									#111
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Your confused, that is YOUR plan.

Kerry is going the three a week plan.

	08-01-2003 01:26									#112
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He cut back again? Soon he won't be drunk enough to make racial slurs and puke in the back of his limo anymore. That's just sad.

	08-01-2003 01:30									#113
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You think THAT'S bad?

Ming and his buddies are Bears fans.

	08-01-2003 01:33									#114
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At least we have a superbowl victory

Go Bears...

	08-01-2003 01:34									#115
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Just because the Bears couldn't assemble a working QB out of parts from their current QBs doesn't mean that the Bears are without hope. It just means that they suck.

	08-01-2003 01:35									#116
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Giants have two of em, BOTH more recent...

	08-01-2003 01:38									#117
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Yeah... but your team is better at lossing big leads

Can you spell CHOKE!

	08-01-2003 01:40									#118
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No I can't, but thanks to you I can copy and paste it now for all future Giants references.

	08-01-2003 01:42									#119
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1956 - NY GIANTS 47, Chicago Bears 7

	08-01-2003 01:44									#120
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It's all relative, considering I suffered as a Rams fan long and hard, now only to watch the best team in the league shoot itself in the foot.

Repeatedly.

So I can feel your pain, but in a different way. But I have a solution at least for our windy city mates:

The Bears can have Jamie Martin!

Chris, that wasn't Fassel's plan, that was the ONLY plan. What were the G-Men gonna do, RUN on Ray Lewis and his band of front fat men?