09-01-2003 22:38									#31
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It is a good question SD, I think they become indoctrinated by what they hear off TV and radio and think there is nothing else out there. What a little bit of reconnaissance could do...

	10-01-2003 03:22									#32
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I can understand teenagers (and the older generation) going mad over film stars and going to watch their movies no matter how crap they are. I have known myself to go and watch a few films because of the actress. You get the eye candy at least.

I don't understand teenagers getting their parents to pay for drivel songs. I think Girls Aloud are attractive, but there is no way on Earth I would buy their singles.

I guess it is just hysteria and fad, something I have never understood. If I don't like something I'm not going to buy it just because everyone else is.

	10-01-2003 03:43									#33
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Yes, I have had this Avril Lavigne argument with Stew and Iain. Yes, she may be nice, but if you think so, don't buy the sodding album, buy the poster or something. It amazes me sometimes

The music I purchase is based purely on what music I like, not on eyecandy. If you want eyecandy, buy a picture, download some porn or something of that nature.

	10-01-2003 03:51									#34
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Avril Lavigne!!!! Did you see her doing the Grammy anouncements?

She pronounced David Bowie name like "Bow" as in bend over at the waist to applause, instead of "bow" as in Bow and arrow.



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	10-01-2003 04:03									#35
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Er, both instances of "Bow" are pronounced the same way.

I'm actually not sure myself of how to pronounce Bowie's name, and I've got thirteen of his albums.

	10-01-2003 05:15									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It is a good question SD, I think they become indoctrinated by what they hear off TV and radio and think there is nothing else out there

that depends, when i was a nipper (early 80's) i was into The Jam, then i read an interview with Paul Weller (the lead singer) where it asked him his main influences, next thing i'm 11 years old buying Otis Reading, Wilson Pickett, Small Faces records..sometimes popular music can be a catalyst, if a couple of kids take the time to look at the Atomic Kitten single and wonder what the the original sounded like then thats got to be a good thing.

	10-01-2003 05:23									#37
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For the record, Gay clubs are just awful places.

It's just freaky, it really is.

And I don't mean that as a slam to gay people, obviously -- but the people who go to those clubs, gagh!

	10-01-2003 05:31									#38
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anything by Elvis

	10-01-2003 05:54									#39
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"I'm actually not sure myself of how to pronounce Bowie's name, and I've got thirteen of his albums."
My god!
Can't think of any horrible covers off the top of my head that haven't been mentioned though...

	10-01-2003 06:01									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Er, both instances of "Bow" are pronounced the same way. I'm actually not sure myself of how to pronounce Bowie's name, and I've got thirteen of his albums.

Not in American english.

How about Bow of a ship.

And rainBOW?

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	10-01-2003 06:09									#41
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David Boe'e? ;O)

	10-01-2003 06:13									#42
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i bow to you. (baahw)
a bow an arrow. (boooh)

	10-01-2003 06:15									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I can understand teenagers (and the older generation) going mad over film stars and going to watch their movies no matter how crap they are. I have known myself to go and watch a few films because of the actress. You get the eye candy at least. I don't understand teenagers getting their parents to pay for drivel songs. I think Girls Aloud are attractive, but there is no way on Earth I would buy their singles. I guess it is just hysteria and fad, something I have never understood. If I don't like something I'm not going to buy it just because everyone else is.

I agree with everything except Pop songs get criticized just because they are in the mainstream. Some mainstream singers are talented and can sing well (even though I may not like them all). For me, it eventually boils down to my preference. If I like what I hear, I will download the cd (what me buy? ) If I don't then I guess I won't. Whether it's mainstrem or underground.

Sometimes I wanna smack people who go thru so much effort making fun of boybands and other artists that get stigmatized with undesirable criticism. If you don't like their music just ignore them. Don't call them names. Beside If you think you can do better you should be on the stand not them.

	10-01-2003 12:44									#44
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I don't think anyone's mentioned Madhouse, who just baffle me. I'm no Madonna fan to begin with, but what the hell is the point of putting out and entire CD of Madonna covers that are slavishly faithful to the dubious orginials -- except that they strip away what little artistry and originality was there to begin with? Their "Like a Prayer" is my current frontrunner in the "Most Pointless Song Ever" sweepstakes. Blech.

But my nominees for best covers include, besides those mentioned here, Sonic Youth's cover of the Carpenters' "Superstar" and Aaron Neville's cover of Randy Newman's "Louisiana 1927."

	10-01-2003 17:31									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II If you don't like their music just ignore them. Don't call them names. Beside If you think you can do better you should be on the stand not them.

Why on Earth would I want to become a Crappy Popstar?

I know a lot of bands that are better and more original, but they don't get the exposure that Pop Idols get (for numerous reasons).

	10-01-2003 20:01									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Why on Earth would I want to become a Crappy Popstar?

..er, besides the money, fame and groupies?

	10-01-2003 22:22									#47
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I just thought molly bloom, what exactly is 'handbag house'?

	10-01-2003 23:19									#48
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Madonna's American Pie- truly awful.

Yeah, but the original sucked too.

quote: The Fugees- Killing Me Softly. Why did people buy this in preference to getting Roberta Flack's original? Lassitude? Ignorance? Get Roberta Flack's version, and you also have her stunning rendition of First Time Ever I Saw Your Face on the flip side. Aural nirvana.

This is the one that does it for me. The original is brilliant, the Fugees version is the lowest form of shite possible. How the hell did this crap win anything?

	10-01-2003 23:25									#49
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Lavigne is Canadian eh! Bowie is pronounced both ways. It never fails to amaze me when americans comment on other peoples pronunciation.

	11-01-2003 01:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I just thought molly bloom, what exactly is 'handbag house'?

it's a derogatory term used by clubbers for the the type of house music that girls in white stilettos dance in a circle around their handbags to. ie cheesy and commercial.

	11-01-2003 01:11									#51
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Is that kinda like the "punks" I saw in the most expensive clubs in Stockholm in 1979-80 with torn designer clothes?

	11-01-2003 01:31									#52
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yep, people trying too hard to be in a 'scene' AFTER it gets popular and totally missing the point that its the fact people like them WERE N"T into it early on gave the movement its credibility

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A couple of years ago some R&B group did a Bohemian Rhapsody cover. I heard it once or twice, but, God, I'd rather die than listen to that shite again.

I also think JXL's version of A Little Less Conversation was vastly overrated. I liked it at first, but when I heard the original I really just didn't see the point of it. The only innovative part Junkie XL added was the "electronica intermezzo", and that was just the part I didn't like.

	11-01-2003 02:12									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Why on Earth would I want to become a Crappy Popstar?

Eh. if you liked a certain genre of music so much that you wanted to be become a musician, does it matter that everyone all of sudden likes that genre by the time you become an artist? Do you need to shoot yourself in the head like Kurt Cobain if you get too popular? What a dumbass Kurt is btw...

What people like and what you like should not have anything to do with it. And besides as reds4ever said, theres always money fame and grouppies. And if it doesn't matter to you, good. Butjust remember that the guy next to you really shouldn't care what you think either. Let him sing high pitch like a moron. It's all good~ just... get away... from me.

quote: I know a lot of bands that are better and more original, but they don't get the exposure that Pop Idols get (for numerous reasons).

This is true. But world is not always fair, and people also have different tastes.

	11-01-2003 02:20									#55
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going back to remixes that are actually better than original that was pages ahead... Christina Aguilera's "What a girl wants" was horrible and no one listened to it. When they remixes it it got real popular.

So it went from unbearable^2 to just unbearable. quite an improvement

	11-01-2003 02:59									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Eh. if you liked a certain genre of music so much that you wanted to be become a musician, does it matter that everyone all of sudden likes that genre by the time you become an artist? Do you need to shoot yourself in the head like Kurt Cobain if you get too popular? What a dumbass Kurt is btw...

i had this conversation with a friend a couple of days ago (he's a big Nirvana fan) i've got no sympathy for the self absorbed, torturted soul type poet. He had the world at his feet, living the life most people can only dream of, then he tops himself...what a muppet!

The only ways pop stars should die young are from crashing fast cars, sexually transmitted diseases or overdosing on their drug of choice!

BTW how DO you spell tortured?

	11-01-2003 03:05									#57
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You spell it 'tortured'...

	11-01-2003 03:11									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison You spell it 'tortured'...

many thanks...and i've only had 3 cans of carling. In my defence i've just started a new year at the Open University, i think as new knowledge is coming in the old stuff is falling out, in another year i'll have forgot where i live!!

	11-01-2003 03:40									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Tolls For instance, I prefer Costello's version of Shipbuilding over the original (Wyatt?)...admittedly only just.

Technically that wasn't a cover. Elvis Costello wrote it, even if Robert Wyatt's version was recorded first.

	11-01-2003 03:55									#60
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Lavigne is Canadian eh! Bowie is pronounced both ways. It never fails to amaze me when americans comment on other peoples pronunciation.

Sure it's pronounced both ways, but not when it's David Bowie.

David Bowie is pronounce 1 way.

Everybody, but Canadians, apparently, knows who the hell David Bowie is.

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