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monolith94 is offline monolith94
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I agree, to say that this story of medical drugs in our drinking water sounds erroneous would be a gross understatement.

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Yes, monolith, considering the design of them means they are fairly easily metabolised

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CITE!!! RIGHT NOW! TO SCHOLARLY SOURCES AND NOT ARTBELL.COM!!!!

Sorry, but I can't let you get away with this one. Jeez, what some people believe because it suits their predilections!


Actually I saw this first in legitimate news sources.

From abcnews.com

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Then there's a growing concern about pharmaceuticals finding their way from medicine cabinets, sewage and production industries into the nation's water supply . Research in the U.S., Canada and Europe is showing that low concentrations of a wide range of prescription drugs — everything from antibiotics to birth-control pill hormones to blood pressure medications — are turning up in ground, surface, and drinking water. No one is clear on what the cumulative effect of this onslaught will turn out to be.


Some other links I googled:

http://www.uswaternews.com/archives...y/1predru2.html
http://www.life.ca/nl/82/drugs.html

So there!

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Yes, monolith, considering the design of them means they are fairly easily metabolised


That's the problem. They're so easily metabolised, that when they pass out of the body and enter back into the water supply, purification systems have great difficulty removing them.

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I thought Ritalin was only for adults? Why not give speed to little children while we're at it? .

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I thought Ritalin was only for adults? Why not give speed to little children while we're at it? .


I've never heard of Ritalin being given to adults before.

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Now that I think of it, Ritalin was only for kids? Hah, I can't remember .

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Now that I think of it, Ritalin was only for kids? Hah, I can't remember .


Ritalin is widely used to treat attention deficit disorder in adults as well as children.

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They give it kids mainly cause it stir-fries their neural nets and makes them passive and malleable.

I 've seen a few adults take it, but it's rare.

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I thought Ritalin was only for adults? Why not give speed to little children while we're at it? .


Dexedrine and a varient of it, adderall, are common alternatives to ritalin.

Bith ADD-HA and Clinical depression have neuro chemical deficiacies involved. They usually have, especially depression, non organic based emotional/psychological components. The chemical deficiency are actualy similar between the two conditions, and anti despresive drugs are common alternatives for ritalin is it does not work well. There are dozens of neuro transmiter chemicals, each one with dozens of varieties. Each case of ADD, ADD-HA, clinical depression, and other neuro-transmitter disorders will vary from other in the same diagnosis to some extent. And it often trial and error to find which of the grug remidies is most effective. In many case of ADD-HA and the majority of case of clinical depression, pychiatric treatment or psychological cousenling is also need for treatment. but agin it is highly variable from patient to patient. There is no one size fits all in these areas.
I am ADD-HA all my life, but fortunately with a powerful intelect (measure at 154 during testing to isolate problems areas) and will, despite multiple areas (a half a page or specific ones) of learing disabilities and nerual defect, and required little treatment as a child beyond exercises in written expresion (but I never could spell well). I work so fast that I never ran into my attetion limit, doing a hours work in 20 minutes, and them taking a break. When i got older an slower, in my late 30s started running into it and required some drug treament to expanded it beyond 20 minutes. Ritalins was not effective for me, nor the second choice, Zoloft anti-depressive. The third try dexidrine worked like a charm, multiplying it from 20 minutes to 3 hours, and after less than a year of treatment, something in my brain was permenantly impoved either by the treament or the experience of longer concentration from it, and I have not required it since then.

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When I was a lad we had a saying; "Spare the rod, spoil the child", and we didn't need drugs to control kids.

Back then "choice" meant "leather or wood".

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When I was a lad we had a saying; "Spare the rod, spoil the child", and we didn't need drugs to control kids.


Ah yes, good ol' abuse.

Anyway, as the Simpsons say about ADD drugs: "The only thing more effective is regular exercise".

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Hobbes:

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Ah yes, good ol' abuse.

Anyway, as the Simpsons say about ADD drugs: "The only thing more effective is regular exercise".


Well, ADD-H began to proliferate right about the time that corporal punishment went out of style AND schools began supplying lazy children with buses. I walked a mile and a half over hilly terrain to get to school. By the time I got to school I wanted to sit down for awhile.

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My son is ADHD. Been that since the age of three. Dealt with 5 years of it (counceling, diet, books, classes, etc.) before turning to medication due the fact I was running out of schools for him to be expelled from. Now he is an A to B student who can actually form some very cogent arguements and I love to debate. Thank Adderall for that. The reason they are not diagnosed in Third World contries is they are locked in jail from an early age due to a general predisposition to violence.

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dont tell me they lock children up just like that in third world countries.

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Great news, I always hated Picasso.

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jdd2007, they lock up children when they throw bricks at principal's heads due to their violent tendencies.

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jdd2007, they lock up children when they throw bricks at principal's heads due to their violent tendencies.


they cant afford principals there ... or bricks for that matter

but yes, i get the point.

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Great news, I always hated Picasso.


hear hear...

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i took ritalin but i found that my problem wasnt that i was hyper active, i was just unmotivated...

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yeah. Drug these snot nosed kids. I'm tired of them acting up in public places . I want some peace and quiet.

This way kids think drugs are cool and in 30 years they can finally legalize marijuana.

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Very cynical Dissident, very cynical. I like it

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All of this reminds me of a story I seem to have forgotten, where they take people and try to level them out, attaching weights to strong people, placing ear buzzers on smart people, forcing masks on beautiful people. Are we not doing the same here? The people who stick out are beat down?

Surely someone can remember the book.

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All of this reminds me of a story I seem to have forgotten, where they take people and try to level them out, attaching weights to strong people, placing ear buzzers on smart people, forcing masks on beautiful people. Are we not doing the same here? The people who stick out are beat down?

Surely someone can remember the book.


I think you're talking about Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" story from the "Welcome To The Monkeyhouse" collection.

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That's exactly right. I could not remember the name.
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dont tell me they lock children up just like that in third world countries.


In some places (read Brazil) the police just shoot them.

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My son is ADHD. He just turned 16. He self medicates. Lots of ADD people do. Nicotine, caffeine, alchohol, THC. The fact that Ritalin or Dexedrine are free (if prescribed, in Canada) does not convince him they are an alternative. Seems he has seen some of his friends on and off Ritalin, and doesn't like the idea.

He has never been expelled, but came close last year. Has been suspended so many times we lost count. Fights some, not too much. Is very bright and very charming, and well liked. Except when things happen, like when he set that kids hair on fire. Lacking in impulse control.

He is also a gifted musician, singer and songwriter
and a fine athlete, when he chooses to participate.

It has been an interesting life. It still is.

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leaves you horribly scarred and damaged for the rest of you life.

 
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