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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
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Frankly, this is yet another in a long line of St Brendan discovered the Americas, the Celts settled New England, the Phoenicians colonized Brazil, The Egyptians built Meso-American pyramids tales, told in sailors' bars around the world....What's next? The kraken ate my yacht, with interviews and photos at eleven?
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that you also get jade in New Zealand, so presumably the Chinese were there too....
I'm all for evidence of hitherto unknown or inexplicable trading links/routes/cultural contacts- but only when they're tenable. Large scale evidence of ocean going (rather than coast hugging) Chinese sailing craft would be welcome. As would plausible linguistic connections between Pre-Columbian societies in the Americas and China in any period. A similarity in sound or meaning between two or three words in separate cultures on separate continents does not make for a pattern of emigration or contact between the two. If that were the case, we have, in the Welsh, one of the lost tribes of Israel....
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:25
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wernazuma - quote:
Columbus also overestimated the extent of Asia to the east.Weird conjectures. Piri Reis didn't say, Columbus had a copy of that map. He said he had a map from Columbus! |
I got my info from "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings", and I think Hapgood said Piri Re'is claimed Colombus had a map like his, not that he got a copy of Colombus' map. But either way, the Re'is map does show parts of the Atlantic Colombus didn't sail to, so I'm not sure how Colombus mapped the Antarctic and S American (below the Amazon) coastline and gave Re'is a copy a few years later.
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The "nobles" or better said scholars at the University of Salamanca thought in Aristotelian patterns, not in Ptolemaic. They were right, Columbus not, but it wasn't because they had the correct data - most of them thought that our globe wasn't terraqueous, but a combination of a smaller sphere of earth and a larger sphere of water where only a bit of the earth-sphere rises like an island - thus they expected larger distances. |
Umm...okay. 
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The balance theory has not been invented by modern scholars, but has a tradition that reaches well into antiquity. It is nothing but a myth that the Terra Australis Incognita on Piri Reis map differs much from that on other prior maps and they're not at all "astoundingly accurate", take a closer lookm and compare with you atlas at home, it's not even close! |
The only, or should I say, main problem with Re'is map was it showed S America connected to Antarctica. But I've seen a map showing Antarctica as it appears under the ice sheet. The continent is actually divided into 2 sections on the map and that is how the continent appears according to sub-glacial mapping. There is another map showing the Bering land bridge, but you'll have to check out Hapgood's book to see these maps. But why would modern scolars use mythical claims of a southern landmass to balance the world to rationalise these maps?
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Even more stupidities. |
Can't anyone here have a civil discussion without insulting people?
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Don't know about the statues |
Then why is it a "stupidity"?
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but simlar claims are made every decade and generally don't get far. |
It takes alot to change the consensus.
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In 100-200 AD, there were no Aztecs living in central Mexico for another 1000 years. |
But the Aztecs did come after the Toltecs who either built or succeeded the builders of Teotihuancan which does date to that period. The Aztecs undoubtedly borrowed artifacts they found from prior civilizations. The Aztec religion contains relics of Toltec religion and presumably, Toltec religion borrowed features of older cultures.
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I don't know in which temple this should have been burried, but NOT in an Aztec temple (Aztecs: 1350-1500AD). |
I'd have to check, but I believe it was a temple unearthed in Mexico City back around WWII.
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Anyhow, Nowhere it is said that Quetzalcoatl came across the ocean, Kukulcan supposedly came to Yucatan with ships from the Mexican East Coast . |
There are several legends about Quetzalcoatl, are you familiar with them all?
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The Aztecs didn't call the eastern sea "atl". Atl gererally is the word for water and the "tl" is only the ending of all nouns, thus water is essentially "a"! Duh! |
It is true the word for water is "atl", but the word for water comes from the eastern sea.
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About that "Votan"-God I haven't heard a single word, although I know a couple of them. |
If you see a list of Mayan deities, even one without Votan, you'll see the nature of the language. Votan is unique among the names of their deities.
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15-01-2003 05:50
Then again, people though Viking sagas of Vinland were a myth until the settlement was located in Newfoundland, so we never know. If Viking longboats could cross the Atlantic, it seems all the more plausible that Chinese junks could as well.
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