21-01-2003 19:21									#31
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Am I the only person who thinks things should be made better for Cyclists??

I Cycle to work, Through the winter and summer, but atm it's a pain in the neck. Cylclists dont pay Road tax, Car Insurance, or have to pay much for a bike, so the financial benefits are there, but thats where it stops.
Some Road routes are hellish for a Cyclist, and 75% of us will shy away from using them. Cycle path's are great, but poorly drained often, and dont span enough areas. Both Road drivers and pedestrians are abusive to Cyclists, an easy target to take thier frustration out on.

So what can be done?

Financial benefits for companies including good,safe cylce facilities - this is a MUST

Well drained Cycle paths, So people dont refrain from Cycling during the winter

Create more Cycleways, particulary alongside broad roads (The same can be done by splitting broad pavements too)

Increase public awareness about the benefits of Cycling (Better health,Pleasant surroundings(sometimes),Lack of congestion ect) - Again this is hugely important , both to get more people cycling, and to get non-cyclists to accept cyclists

Cheers
Matt

	21-01-2003 19:31									#32
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	22-01-2003 03:07									#33
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV The trouble is that in parts of the UK motorists have a rather selfish attitude. When asked what they think about public transport they say it is a great idea and that people should leave their cars at home and use buses and trains. However, what they mean is the person in the car in front of them should leave his/her car at home and get on a bus. We pay so much to have a car in the first place that people aren't really prepared not to use it. Incidentally, I don't own a car. I ride a motorbike and it is perfectly safe, much cheaper and a lot more fun. You can even find somewhere to park in city centres.

It's a chicken and egg scenario. People aren't going to leave their car unless public transport is a viable replacement. My car has been off the road, so I automatically have to check the bus times. No buses go on the route to work (which is quite frankly stupid considering it is one of the largest employers in the city). I would have to go into the city centre, and then catch a bus out. I opted for a taxi instead as it wouldn't cost that much less after all those bus fares

	22-01-2003 05:30									#34
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Critical mass is a pain in the butt in SF. Every last friday of every month. Cant get anywhere. THey should throw them all in jail.

	22-01-2003 05:42									#35
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	22-01-2003 23:34									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Rothy Am I the only person who thinks things should be made better for Cyclists?? I Cycle to work, Through the winter and summer, but atm it's a pain in the neck. Cylclists dont pay Road tax, Car Insurance, or have to pay much for a bike, so the financial benefits are there, but thats where it stops. Some Road routes are hellish for a Cyclist, and 75% of us will shy away from using them. Cycle path's are great, but poorly drained often, and dont span enough areas. Both Road drivers and pedestrians are abusive to Cyclists, an easy target to take thier frustration out on. So what can be done? Financial benefits for companies including good,safe cylce facilities - this is a MUST Well drained Cycle paths, So people dont refrain from Cycling during the winter Create more Cycleways, particulary alongside broad roads (The same can be done by splitting broad pavements too) Increase public awareness about the benefits of Cycling (Better health,Pleasant surroundings(sometimes),Lack of congestion ect) - Again this is hugely important , both to get more people cycling, and to get non-cyclists to accept cyclists Cheers Matt

I appreciate your concern about motorists, but when most cyclists don't even fit lights in the middle of winter when it is dark, how do you expect us to be able to see you? The police are not strict enough on this in my opinion.

And as for the cyclist/pedestrian situation, it is the same thing...you should look out for pedestrians more.

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Has a pedestrian ever been killed because a cyclist was riding on the pavement...?

	23-01-2003 17:20									#38
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kill whitey, there goes most of the driving population...

	23-01-2003 18:14									#39
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Unlike Canada, the capital of England is a major international economic and cultural centre. It's the largest city in Europe and brings in a huge amount of money to the country which then gets shuffled out to the poor areas of the country. London gets concentrated on because it's the most important place in the country. More than 7 million people live there after all. Britain's second largest city, Birmingham, only has a million residents.

Reading, where I live, has a full to capacity park and ride system and increased bus and cycle lanes over the last few years. All work really well.

	23-01-2003 18:23									#40
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quote: It's the largest city in Europe

rrright....

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quote: And as for the cyclist/pedestrian situation, it is the same thing...you should look out for pedestrians more.

True. I cycle a lot in during the summer. We have to look out for the pedestrians, 'cause they rarely look out for cyclists. And there's a good reason:

Most of the traffic make terrible noise today. Bicycles are silent, and thus easilly unnoticed. So I suggest, that every cyclist have to put a "härsläpätin", a device made from a piece of cardboard/plastic and a clothes-pin. All kids know how to make one. And "PRRRRRRRRRR" you go

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old baseball cards will do the same thing for you american riders...

	23-01-2003 19:20									#43
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London is largest city in Western Europe. The only one that is bigger, or even compares, is Moscow.

London's twice the size of Berlin which is the second largest city in the EU.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/bigcities.htm

It's also the largest economically

quote: The size of the London economy - at £116,444 million - is larger than Finland, Portugal and the Republic of Ireland. It accounts for 17% of the UK's GDP.

quote: The London Stock Exchange is the largest in the world, with an average daily turnover of $637bn - nearly a third of the total world activity.

http://www.lda.gov.uk/mediaoffice/londonfacts/

	23-01-2003 19:56									#44
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Why didn't that show as a new post in the thread list?

	23-01-2003 20:12									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild In America, you pay tolls when driving between states or into major metropolitian areas.

Not any states I've ever driven across. The tolls are for big trucks. There are toll roads and bridges in various places though.

quote: Though Toronto is by far the best, brightest, and most important city in all of Canada and quite a few American states. (Note to Americans from Buffulo, New York: Admit you come to Toronto, not because of the low dollar, but because you're too proud to go to NYC).

Toronto sucks compared to either Vancouver or Montreal

	23-01-2003 20:14									#46
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I paid tolls when travelling around NE America.

I hope he doesn't post again.

	23-01-2003 20:31									#47
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There are toll roads and bridges and even private (pay) highways, but the toll is not for driving from state to state. AFAIK that would be illegal.

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Is the I-95 the one from Boston to New York? That has one on.

	23-01-2003 21:05									#49
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Build public transport network. I can think of maglevs reaching all parts of the country, plus tax breaks for companies if employees work from home - that might work. Let's say lower N.I. contribution, or actually incerase it for another % for all organisations with over 50 employees, but if people work from home the companies get away without the increase. Something lovely and complicated like this the government might even consider .

And the last is nationalize those sad bus services.

If trains are crap, buses are uber-crap.

And the last (really ) - pay you 50£ a week if you have cycled to work