17-01-2003 22:18									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Boris, why? Jersey, Hoboken, are just a river away from Manhetten. As I said before, suburbs are considered part of town if they connects with it...

They are independent cities that are in an entirely different state.

	17-01-2003 23:18									#32
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So what it means that they are in different states? This is a realistic counting of population, administration divisions doesn't matter. City can be in several states and actually even in several countries (Berlin in cold war as an example). In your opinion if San Francisco for example would be suddenly splitted in halves between different states, it would no longer be a single city?

	17-01-2003 23:27									#33
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If it had two entirely different municipal governments, then absolutely. Look at St. Paul and Minneapolis. I wouldn't consider them the same city.

Judging "Metropolitan Area" seems to me very arbitrary and in this instance doesn't take into account the nuances of different cities and how they are organized, like London.

	17-01-2003 23:36									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed It's a bad source then, as London has a population of just uder 12m if you count the whole urban area.

Stew is right about British city boundaries, most estimates of urban area can be way off the mark...Manchester for example is 600 000 odd, Greater Manchester is 2.2 million, all depends on what you count. Now Paris is nowhere near as big as London in reality...I don't know where they got 9m from...

Which of those cities? God knows...Tokyo is just too expensive...

	17-01-2003 23:40									#35
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Paris is 9 million when you count the dense suburbs. The commune of Paris is only 2 millions inhab. and falling (because offices are replacing residences), and the outstanding majority of Parisians are in fact suburbians (like me).
Since there is a French tradition of dividing between many communes, the whole Parisian conurbation has hundreds of communes composing it, Paris being the most important by far.

	17-01-2003 23:43									#36
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Edit - Beat me to it.

	18-01-2003 01:11									#37
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I adore large cities, Urban sprawl and the like. So it would be Tokyo, LA, NY, and Paris (well, that's not because of the Urban sprawl. I just like the city )

About counting the sizes of cities, and it's often lack of logic.
I can see it in Israel for example: The municipality of Tel-Aviv-Jaffa counts a bit less than half a million people. In reality, there are around 2 million people if you take a 10 mile radius.

The case repeats with many cities. Moscow's suburbs also have lots of population, so the metropolitan area is actually much larger.

	18-01-2003 01:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic ...if San Francisco for example would be suddenly splitted in halves...

Hey! Earthquake jokes are not that funny here.


It would be silly to do a study like this an not do it by Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Newark probably should be considered as part of the greater New York area, etc, but then again, you could consider Boston to Wash DC as one MSA.

I think that for MSAs, SF, Oakland and San Jose get split into three different pieces, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

	18-01-2003 01:23									#39
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quote: I can see it in Israel for example: The municipality of Tel-Aviv-Jaffa counts a bit less than half a million people. In reality, there are around 2 million people if you take a 10 mile radius.

And roughly in 20-30 years the entire shore will be one big metropolis. Even today if you take a trip from Ashkelon to Nahariya you will barely find any empty land without some city or town.

	18-01-2003 01:29									#40
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Yep. That's why we need MORE SKYSCRAPERS!!!!

	18-01-2003 01:36									#41
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The arguments on where to draw the line on metropolitan areas will go on forever.

Here in the US, the census bureau makes it official.

http://eire.census.gov/popest/archi...tro/ma99-02.txt

I'm not much for any of the cities listed. I like medium to large (by US standards) cities. I currently live in a Dallas suburb. Here in the US, it seems that the political climate gets more and more left-leaning as the size of the city gets larger, which is probably some of the source of my distaste for large cities. I guess being in Texas helps to reign things in.

	18-01-2003 01:37									#42
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none!

	18-01-2003 01:40									#43
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Eli, something like that happened in UAE where Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman and Um Al Quaywan united into one metropolis...

	18-01-2003 01:40									#44
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Baghdad

One city that needs more skyscrapers and buildings of such height is London...there is not enough space there yet they won't allow anything over a few stories (although I am sure that law has been relaxed now)

	18-01-2003 01:54									#45
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PH:

I believe that Paris has similar restrictions.

	18-01-2003 02:36									#46
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I like skyscrapers. This country needs more

	18-01-2003 02:59									#47
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Have you been to London recently? Canada tower doesn't look so lonely.

	18-01-2003 03:03									#48
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Tokyo, New York, LA, Osaka, and Paris.

	18-01-2003 03:04									#49
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quote: I currently live in a Dallas suburb.

Which one, Brizey?

	18-01-2003 03:10									#50
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Osaka, Tokyo, Shanghai

	18-01-2003 03:34									#51
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Tokyo, Osaka, New York, Los Angelos, Paris.

	18-01-2003 03:50									#52
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Hmm...These numbers seem slightly bloated from what I've read....

	18-01-2003 03:52									#53
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Shanghai and Tianjin are both pretty nice cities. Beijing is good but is much more of an acquired taste.

Still, it didn't stop me from going berserk on the night of the 16th Plenum.

Those of you who fear for strict police control of Beijing's nightlife will be pleasantly surprised to hear that they let me go with a warning after they found me and two of my friends running around naked at 4am near JiaoDaoKou South street. One of my friends was worrying the nearby birdcages with his - ahem - manhood ("But officer I was just offering them another branch to perch on!") and another was busily being sick in a corner of the courtyard. All three of us got off with warnings, except the bird lover, who was working for an embassy and therefore had to write a letter of apology as well.

Bear in mind that this was during the evening of tightest security during the handover from Jiang Zemin to Hu Jintao.

So at least they have a sense of humor.

	18-01-2003 04:21									#54
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I was told Cairo had 18 million inhabitants, the biggest city in Afica.. Egypt hasn't got much land that can be inhabited, most ppl live in Cairo or Alexandria etc...

Where did you find that number, 9700000?

	18-01-2003 04:52									#55
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most people in the bay area consider SF, SJ, and Oakland to all be one metro area. considering SF, and SJ are around 50 mile apart and both over 700k in population with san jose nearing 1 million. Also the metro area has about 6-7 million people

cities inbetween like san mateo boast 90k in population and there are many smaller towns with anywhere from 30k like foster city to redwood city with 75k...
but all these cities are smooshed up next to each other.

the east bay between oakland and san jose is very similar too in this respect with cities like fremont, hayward. both of which have populations over 100k

	18-01-2003 11:11									#56
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Snapcase:

LA, boring? Well, I'm Spanish and I don't find LA boring at all, that should mean something... I'm pretty sure you'd like it there.

	18-01-2003 11:14									#57
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Fiera!

*logs Fiera sighting*

	18-01-2003 11:22									#58
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Hola, El Awr:

I voted for LA and Buenos Aires, BTW...

	18-01-2003 11:39									#59
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i hate LA...too many damn people and too much urban sprawl...

	18-01-2003 11:46									#60
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I keep asking myself why everybody forgets about Beverly Hills, Santa Monica or Malibu and thinks only about South Central LA when talking about LA...