21-01-2003 03:11									#31
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It's a great idea to hire someone with experience in the Japanese market if you're trying to crack the Japanese market. Plus I imagine there aren't a lot of executives with consule experience just sitting around.

	21-01-2003 03:11									#32
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Moore got fired for the failure of the Sega Sports line, which was very much Sega of America's fault.

	21-01-2003 03:15									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Moore got fired for the failure of the Sega Sports line, which was very much Sega of America's fault.

And how is he responsible for that?

Sega spent twice as much as EA did on advertising.

The problem is, people are in a habit of buying EA Sports games. It's that simple. They buy NHL 2002, then NHL 2003, then NHL 2004...

Sega Sport's games are better, they just can't overtake EA instantly like SoJ wanted (they always were stupid). And since Moore is responsible for the Sega Sports line, as you just implied, I'm even more excited about it -- NHL 2K3 is the best hockey game. Ever.

BTW, didn't he quit? Not fired?

	21-01-2003 03:18									#34
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quote: BTW, didn't he quit? Not fired?

I don't think anyone knows for sure yet, but it seems like he was forced out after the sales data for Sega Sports came in...

quote: And since Moore is responsible for the Sega Sports line, as you just implied, I'm even more excited about it -- NHL 2K3 is the best hockey game. Ever.

Unless Moore is bringing Visual Concepts along with him, I don't think you'll see an NHL2K3 caliber game on the Xbox anytime soon. Moore didn't make the games; he just unsuccessfully marketed them...

	21-01-2003 03:21									#35
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He resigned.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't fired, unless I'm grossly underestimating just how stupid Sega is...

Wouldn't they fire the Sega Sports head before the COO/Pres?

quote: Unless Moore is bringing Visual Concepts along with him, I don't think you'll see an NHL2K3 caliber game on the Xbox anytime soon. Moore didn't make the games; he just unsuccessfully marketed them...

Treyarch developed NHL2K3.

And NHL2K3 *IS* on Xbox. It even supports Xbox Live for online play.

	21-01-2003 03:24									#36
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quote: And NHL2K3 *IS* on Xbox. It even supports Xbox Live for online play.

Duh. What the hell was I thinking?

quote: I'm pretty sure he wasn't fired, unless I'm grossly underestimating just how stupid Sega is...

It looks pretty fishy. I think it was a forced resignation.

	21-01-2003 03:27									#37
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He probably realized he'd take a pay cut this year because they didn't do as well as he expected.

MS waved a wad of cash infront of him like they did for Ken Lobb, and off he goes...

I mean, he resigned on friday and was hired by MS on Monday. I'm pretty sure he wasn't fired, MS just offered him a better job so he quit and joined MS the next business day.

	21-01-2003 03:33									#38
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From the IGN boards

quote: Ken Lobb... connected to Rare in a huge way. He leaves Nintendo, joins Microsoft. Microsoft buys Rare. Peter Moore... connected to Sega. He leaves Sega, joins Microsoft. Microsoft... TO BE CONTINUED!

	21-01-2003 03:48									#39
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Asher- You will be delighted to hear that there are now two games available for the XBOX that interest me. In addition to Halo, that Mech Assault game looks pretty good. The problem with XBOX for me is that it is still far too pandering to mainstream gamers. Too many boring sports, racing and FPS games. I still find Gamecube and PS2 to be the only realistic choices for hardcore gamers.
By the way, one thing you fail to mention is that XBOX is still dead last in terms of global hardware sales.

	21-01-2003 03:49									#40
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Actually monk, in terms of global sales, the GCN sold 8.00 million (according to Nintendo) and Xbox at 8.05M

Of course this doesn't really matter. Globally, per week the Xbox is selling quite a bit more...

	21-01-2003 03:52									#41
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Specifically:

Xbox in US - 5.4 million
Cube in US - 4 million

Xbox in EU - 1.8 million
Cube in EU - 1.5 million

Xbox in West - 7.2 million
Cube in West - 5.5 million

Xbox in Asia/Oceania - 850k
Cube in Asia/Oceania - 2.5 million

Xbox world-wide - 8.05 million
Cube world-wide - 8 million

	21-01-2003 03:56									#42
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Where do you get the 8.05 figure Asher?
And your European sales figures seem suspicious as well. The last sales figures from Europe that I saw showed the Gamecube still having a slight edge, 1.5 million to 1.4.

	21-01-2003 03:59									#43
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Actually Gamecube should be at about 8.18 in any event.

http://www.gamepro.com/index.html?/...ews/27696.shtml
---GameCube sells 6.68 Million from September 2001 to September 2002

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game010703.htm
---GameCube: 1.5 Million during Holiday Season (November + December)

6.68 + 1.5 = 8.18 Million, and this doesn't even include October sales figures.

	21-01-2003 03:59									#44
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Where do you get the 8.05 figure Asher? And your European sales figures seem suspicious as well. The last sales figures from Europe that I saw showed the Gamecube still having a slight edge, 1.5 million to 1.4.

Those figures were Nintendo being tricky bastards.

Nintendo issued a press release which triggered a Reuter story, citing they were in 2nd in Europe: 1.5M to 1.4M.

The problem is, their 1.5M is their "sold to retail" number. That's the total amount they sold to retailers in Europe.

The 1.4M they got was from a conservative estimate of the Xbox CONSUMER base from a company called ScreenDigest.

Since then, MS has announced its "sold to retail" numbers are 1.8M versus Nintendo's 1.5M.

A couple days later, two independent firms: Chart-Track & GfK confirmed that the Xbox did surpass the Gamecube in European sales in December...

	21-01-2003 04:01									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Those figures were Nintendo being tricky bastards. Nintendo issued a press release which triggered a Reuter story, citing they were in 2nd in Europe: 1.5M to 1.4M. The problem is, their 1.5M is their "sold to retail" number. That's the total amount they sold to retailers in Europe. The 1.4M they got was from a conservative estimate of the Xbox CONSUMER base from a company called ScreenDigest. Since then, MS has announced its "sold to retail" numbers are 1.8M versus Nintendo's 1.5M. A couple days later, two independent firms: Chart-Track & GfK confirmed that the Xbox did surpass the Gamecube in European sales in December...

Fair enough.

	21-01-2003 04:02									#46
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Iw ould buy XBox over GC in a heart beat

in fact, I would buy one now if I had the moeny

Jon Miller

	21-01-2003 04:03									#47
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Actually Gamecube should be at about 8.18 in any event. http://www.gamepro.com/index.html?/...ews/27696.shtml ---GameCube sells 6.68 Million from September 2001 to September 2002 http://www.the-magicbox.com/game010703.htm ---GameCube: 1.5 Million during Holiday Season (November + December) 6.68 + 1.5 = 8.18 Million, and this doesn't even include October sales figures.

That's not how it works...

The 6.68M Gamecubes were global sales to date as of September.

Why did you add on the 1.5M (total European sales?)? I don't get that at all...

The GamePro article you linked to shows Nintendo saying they probably wouldn't crack 8M, btw.

	21-01-2003 04:17									#48
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Hmm, and I thought you would be talking about this story, Ashie.

quote: GameCube buyers get a free game IGN confirmed with Nintendo on Friday that, come February 9th, gamers looking to purchase a GameCube console for $149.99 will receive one title for free. The offer allows people to choose from four very popular GC games: Resident Evil 0, Star Fox Adventures, Metroid Prime, and Mario Party 4. While GameCube sales were good over the holidays, they didn't even come close to nearest competitor Microsoft's; Nintendo hopes that the inclusion of a free game will help boost hardware sales through May, when the bundle deal runs out. Perhaps Nintendo has other pricing plans for the Electronics Entertainment Expo... Stay tuned. Source: IGN

http://cube.ign.com/articles/383/383076p1.html for the original article.

I was thinking more along hte lines of "No excuse to not get a Gamecube now," except of course there is one for people like me. Still important stuff.

	21-01-2003 04:20									#49
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I love how they're giving away a Rare game...get the kids to see Rare and like Rare, and if they wanna play more Rare games they gotta jump ship...

	21-01-2003 08:38									#50
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quote: I love how they're giving away a Rare game...get the kids to see Rare and like Rare, and if they wanna play more Rare games they gotta jump ship...

A Rare game centered around a Nintendo license. Rare is going to have a hard time adjusting to life without Nintendo's stable of characters.

Besides, if you like Star Fox Adventures, then the new Zelda is the game you should check out, not Perfect Dark Zero...

	21-01-2003 08:40									#51
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quote: A Rare game centered around a Nintendo license. Rare is going to have a hard time adjusting to life without Nintendo's stable of characters.

Nah, they kept a lot of the great franchises and have proven that they can create new ones just as easily as when Nintendo forces them to work with one of theirs...

Nintendo's going to have a hard time adjusting to life without Rare's stable of developers.

quote: Besides, if you like Star Fox Adventures, then the new Zelda is the game you should check out, not Perfect Dark Zero...

Why not Kameo?

Zelda is only like SFA in that they're both adventure games...

SFA and Kameo are more similar than SFA and Zelda.

	21-01-2003 08:47									#52
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quote: Zelda is only like SFA in that they're both adventure games...

And have the exact same gameplay mechanism. SFA's gameplay was a total rip-off of Zelda...

	21-01-2003 08:48									#53
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In what?

Being a collect-a-thon?

Those games are the most boring things on earth, it's why I never touched SFA, and I hope they don't sink to that level again to appease someone. Thankfully Nintendo's not pushing them around saying "we INSIST you change your game to suit Starfox...".

	21-01-2003 08:54									#54
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quote: In what?

Combat mechanics? Button configuration? Practically every aspect of gameplay? Rare admitted to ripping off the Zelda control scheme. A good choice on their part, as it's probably the best adventure gameplay mechanism in existence...

quote: Thankfully Nintendo's not pushing them around saying "we INSIST you change your game to suit Starfox...".

The gameplay would've been the same without the Starfox license. It just would've been called "Dinosaur Planet" and would've sold worse...

	21-01-2003 11:33									#55
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Having watched my roommate play through and beat SFA- and then return it to the store- I can assure you all that SFA is not like Zelda. It's more like a bad Zelda game. It's not a collect-a-thon (which is fun, heretic!), it's a "do 10 zillion fetch quests for really contrived reasons-a-thon." Biggest strike against it is the combat, which is incomprehensibly boring and the exact same combo works against practically every enemy (and the enemies don't gang up on you, just come at you one at a time to allow you to use your combo attack of killing everything).

Not a bad exploration game for kids, but kids can enjoy good exploration games too, like real Zelda titles.

	21-01-2003 13:06									#56
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I'm enjoying shinobi right now.

	21-01-2003 13:38									#57
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So what it it that you folks like about consule games that you don't get with PC games? It seems a little redundant to buy a consule when you already have a PC.

	21-01-2003 13:43									#58
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I find it just more relaxing.

Laying on the couch infront of the bigscreen with a controller is more relaxing to sitting at a desk infront of a computer for me.

I play both (strategy mostly on the PC), but they suit different purposes.

Another huge plus for the console is multiplayer: it's hard to get 3 of your friends to play you a game of NHL 2K3 or something on the PC, it's easy on a game console. And no PC online gaming experience is as cool as Xbox Live yet.

	21-01-2003 15:29									#59
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PC tends to have good games but of differing genres.

I have yet to play a satisfying platformer or beat 'em up on a PC. However, strat games and flight sims are unparallelled on a PC, and in my opinion RPGs for the PC just narrowly edge out those for the consoles (user customisability).

I'm something of a brand-loyal gamer and I have always owned a Nintendo. The only reason I haven't bought a GameCube yet is lack of funds, but I will get one to enjoy Metroid Prime. What little I've played on the other consoles shows me that their games are good too, but I'm not going to be able to afford more than one in the near future.

	21-01-2003 22:33									#60
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December NPD figures are in for US sales:

PS2: 2,733,000 (+107% over November)
XBOX: 1,033,000 (121+% over November)
GCN: 619,000 (+32% over November)

Cumulative install base in the US:
PS2: 15,870,000
XBOX: 4,601,000
GCN: 3,583,000

Top 10 Xbox Games:
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1) Splinter Cell 633,337
2) Ghost Recon 262,019
3) Halo 223,553
4) Mortal Kombat 179,147
5) Mech Assault 174,761
6) Bond 007: Nightfire 171,133
7) Medal of Honor: Frontline 146,216
8) Madden NFL 2003 132,011
9) Unreal Championship 103,556
10) Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 103,843

Top 10 GC Games :
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1) Metroid Prime 358,876
2) Mario Party 4 237,369
3) Super Mario Sunshine 177,409
4) Bond 007: Nightfire 148,438
5) Super Smash Bros Melee 131,281
6) Animal Crossing 130,321
7) Harry Potter: Chamber 133,019
8) Resident Evil: 0 111,334
9) Star Fox Adventures 98,899
10) Sonic Mega Collection 119,626 (lower retail)