25-01-2003 10:32									#31
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	25-01-2003 11:30									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I'm surprised Canada isn't joining in..........

We're already there. The navy is still on the scene.

The air assets don't take too long to move, and the USAF can move the small number of ground forces we might send while they send the mail.

Our dear leaders wish to seem 'independent', so they hold out as long as possible. It's a big thing for them in the whine and cheese circles they frequent.

	25-01-2003 11:34									#33
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Canada would join in, but that'd be too unfair for Iraq.

We'd be way too powerful for it to be an entertaining thing to watch on CNN.

	25-01-2003 12:58									#34
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Let me predict that France will be there with troops in the end.

	25-01-2003 13:12									#35
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Bush does everything to convince countries to participate in the war, and pays Israel billions of dollars to do the exact opposite.

	25-01-2003 13:19									#36
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Israeli participation in Gulf War II= bye bye all arab bases....

	25-01-2003 13:22									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Bush does everything to convince countries to participate in the war, and pays Israel billions of dollars to do the exact opposite.

Because if Israel gets into the fray outside of its own borders (which are still an uncertain subject) it would almost certainly incite other Arab nations in the region into furthering the coming conflict. You'll only make things worse for yourselves if you react to anything less than a nuclear/biological/chemical attack. Stay inside your borders, knockout whatever missiles fly your way, and leave the air/sea/ground conflict to the US and its allies.

	25-01-2003 14:02									#38
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eli...i think drosedars is correct...if you get involved there will be a great gnashing of teeth in the middle east for decades to come.

	25-01-2003 18:29									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs You'll only make things worse for yourselves if you react to anything less than a nuclear/biological/chemical attack.

Should a country not react to attacks on it? While there was a (debateably) good reason in the Gulf War, given the low casualties and the possibility of the breakup of the coalition, doesn't this set a very bad precedent? If America hadn't retaliated for Pearl Harbor or 9/11, wouldn't that have made countries/terror groups more likely to attack because they figure they can get away with it without any consequences?

How does one remain a detterant power if your enemies think you won't react to an attack?

	25-01-2003 18:54									#40
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Are the Aussies are in because of the Bali bombing?

	25-01-2003 19:03									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Let me predict that France will be there with troops in the end.

I agree. At the very end, there will be France.

	26-01-2003 01:11									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Should a country not react to attacks on it? While there was a (debateably) good reason in the Gulf War, given the low casualties and the possibility of the breakup of the coalition, doesn't this set a very bad precedent? If America hadn't retaliated for Pearl Harbor or 9/11, wouldn't that have made countries/terror groups more likely to attack because they figure they can get away with it without any consequences? How does one remain a detterant power if your enemies think you won't react to an attack?

Because this is ISRAEL we're talking about here. It doesn't have a single ally along any part of its borders: it is surrounded for hundreds of miles in all directions either by unforgiving seas (large bodies of water don't like Humans of ANY creed) or Arab nations that REALLY don't like Israel. Israel IS NOT the United States: it doesn't have our resources, it doesn't have our economic strength, it doesn't have our political clout. Israel wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for too long without outside help, close physical proximity to blood-enemies means they'll take serious hits to their economic infrastructure, and Israel's word means little to those whose land-borders it shares. If Israel threatened war against Iraq for ANYTHING LESS THAN a nuclear/biological/chemical attack, their threat would be drowned out by the unified outraged call-to-arms of the Arab Middle East.

No one nation in the ME is stupid enough to invade Israel and almost certainly no one is planning to anytime in the forseeable future. The best any of them can do is lob SCUDS (as Iraq has already done and probably will do again) or send ragtag paramilitary groups like Hamas or Islamic Jihad to take potshots at Israel. Nothing Israel can't handle as they have shown time and time again. The terrorist bombings ARE frightening, but Israel always manages to deal with them.

Israel NOT reacting to the SCUD missile attacks of Gulf War I DOES NOT set a bad precident because although Israel wasn't reacting to the attacks...the United States and its Coalition was on its behalf. Non-reaction on Israel's part was and remains a political strategy intended to reassure Arab nations in the region that Israel, which they hate SO much, was not and is not getting too "big for its britches" meaning it isn't becoming more of a threat to them.
EDIT: Made paragraph make more sense in refering to Gulf War I.

	26-01-2003 01:28									#43
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I still don't understand why Israel shouldn't respond to a squd attack, unless it gains some major political/military capital from the US in return.

	26-01-2003 01:33									#44
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azazel, so young israelis may live to see their grand children rather then get killed by arabs in a needless war...

your type of reasoning is why i think we should sever ties with israel. you want us to pay you to stop you from killing yourselves

	26-01-2003 01:42									#45
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So if Mexico ( ) start throwing ballistic missiles with conventional warheads, you'd be against an american retaliation?

rrriiight, thought so.

	26-01-2003 01:47									#46
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thats not even a good analogy...

	26-01-2003 01:55									#47
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Why not? because you're big and strong?

	26-01-2003 02:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Let me predict that France will be there with troops in the end.

...which end?

	26-01-2003 02:08									#49
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because it would be a completely different situation

basicly you want something from the US while the US prevents you from getting over run. you should be giving us something for our benevolence!

i agree though, we should pull out of the ME military and you should defend yourselves. its about time you did.

	26-01-2003 02:26									#50
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the US hardly prevents us from being overrun.
"our benevolence"

	26-01-2003 02:37									#51
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I agree. At the very end, there will be France.

If France was a man, Id punch him in the stomach...

	26-01-2003 04:39									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Are the Aussies are in because of the Bali bombing?

If you mean in the sense that the Australian Government hopes that by being a good ally The United States will one day save us from the yellow peril then the answer is yes.

	26-01-2003 04:51									#53
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The United States is going to save Australia from Bananas?

	26-01-2003 05:18									#54
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see my other thread

	26-01-2003 05:20									#55
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Well. That's a perfectly good 100-nil attempt ruined.

	26-01-2003 07:02									#56
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Canada has 4 destroyers to the American 56. If they don't help, I'm not too worried.

	26-01-2003 07:05									#57
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Howard is IMO a fascist scum who is treating immigrants like **** just because they aren't white. He does what he does exactly because of the "Yellow Peril".

Apartheid is coming back... (not that it ever was absent in Australia...)

	26-01-2003 07:10									#58
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The Yellow Peril?? It is still 1948 in Australia?

	26-01-2003 07:31									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Canada has 4 destroyers to the American 56. If they don't help, I'm not too worried.

You miss the point - the United States doesn't needs its allies cream Saddam Hussein. It could do that with one carrier battle group tied behind its back.

The US needs its allies to show the flag and make an essentially US operation into a multinational coalition for diplomatic reasons.

This exercise is also showing who are the closest allies of the United States. Its surprising Canada no longer wants to be in the inner circle.

	26-01-2003 07:38									#60
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Canadian politicians of certain political persuasions feel a need to show that they are independant. Not to mention that it is not difficult for reasonable people to wonder where Saddam fits in the War on Terror.

Besides, we are inextricably linked to the gorrilla to our South. Neither of us could get rid of the other. We don't always have to play nice. The other is always going to be there. Not many nations other than Mexico are in that position vis-a-vis the US.