28-01-2003 05:32									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The Raiders D is also much better than that. You forget that most of the passing yards they give up is when they are already leading by double digits and teams are just passing in order to keep up. Overall, the Raiders are the better team. I hope they win.

Somehow, you rooting for the Raiders makes my day.

	28-01-2003 06:05									#152
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He got sick, Tuber. Not sure of the details, but I heard he checked into a hospital.

	28-01-2003 06:32									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker He got sick, Tuber. Not sure of the details, but I heard he checked into a hospital.

From what little I could glean from the paper, it was a mental illness, not physical.

ACK!

	28-01-2003 06:38									#154
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Thank goodness, it's all over for another year!

On the other hand, it's one of the best times to go out shopping; all the stores are nearly empty...

	28-01-2003 12:14									#155
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BTW I heard on sports radio that the starting center was in Tijuana, Mexico. He came back not ready to play- obviously. He missed team practice and meeting as well.

It was a diciplinary action.

	28-01-2003 13:28									#156
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What about Bill Parcells?

I never really cared for him that much. I am Sooo glad he didn't take the TB job. I really don't think TB could have won a superbowl with him as coach. In fact I'm certain at this. He would have ran the ball too much even with the inneffective running game. Although he might have brought in a good RB. Pittman was actually pushed by Gruden to TB. Pittman hasn't broken 100 yards all season until the superbowl. but I feel Gruden got the passing offense rolling like it needed to be. He did an excellent job compensating for the lack of running game this season.

The Raiders on the other hand should have pushed their running game after the first series where their passing wasn't doing so well. The Bucs were only like 4th or 5th on run defense compared to #1 on pass defense. They have 3 excellent RB's, actually I think they use 4 RB's routinely. Although Wheatley doesn't get as much as he used to now Zack Crockett get a lot of short yardage carries. It was still worth a shot.

The simple fact is the Raiders had the talent to get to the superbowl with pretty much anyone at coach. I was not impressed with their coaching in the superbowl. They were not prepared and it showed. And they lacked enthusiasm.

Also a radio talk show made a good point. The Raiders claimed they were bigger and stronger. Well a big and strong offensive line is better suited to a running game instead of a 3 step drop passing game. They should have tried running the ball.

And the Raiders may be big and strong, but they are slow and old. They have no hope of keeping up with a very fast TB team.

	28-01-2003 13:32									#157
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OK time has come to vote for your #1 defense folks.

I'm still undecided. TB of 2002 is definately in the top3.

They may not be the best, but they are definately the fastest defense ever

	28-01-2003 18:08									#158
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What I'm hearing is that the Oakland center missed all Saturday team activities, including 2 meetings and the on-field run-through, due to depression. He has a history of this (apparently causing some missed time in the past).

It has been confirmed that initial tests showed no signs of any alcohol or drugs in his bloodstream. He remains in a San Diego hospital for testing at this time, and has been pulled from the AFC Pro Bowl team, to be replaced by the center from the Patriots.

Very sad...

	28-01-2003 23:18									#159
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I heard he was in Tijuana, the best place to go if you are depressed

	29-01-2003 02:13									#160
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quote: OK time has come to vote for your #1 defense folks. I'm still undecided. TB of 2002 is definately in the top3.

They aren't in my Top 3 .

1) 1985 Chicago Bears
2) 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers (especially 1976)
3) 1970s Purple People Eaters... uh... Minnesota Vikings (especially 1971 and 73).

The '66 Green Bay Packers and the '02 Bucs are Honorable Mention.

Remember, they aren't even the best defense of the decade! That belongs to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens... how soon we forget .

Though the Bucs do have one the top 3 defensive lines of all time. They are right up there with the Fearsome Foursome of the Rams, and the front four of the Purple People Eaters of Minnesota.

	29-01-2003 02:50									#161
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They're in my top three, but not my top slot. Not yet, anyway. The Steel Curtain and the '85 Bears do have a jump on them... but they'll move past the '85 Bears if my boys can defend the title next year

And I didn't forget the Ravens... but remember, that defense had only one memorable year. It isn't just the Bucs who have been more consistent on defense over the years than the Ravens... the Titans were more consistent. Heck, officially, in 2000, the Titans had the better defense!

	29-01-2003 03:07									#162
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It will take more than a repeat to put them past the bears defense...

If you remember, they only gave up 10 points in the ENTIRE post season. And three of those came because Walter fumbled the ball on the opening drive of the Super Bowl and New England started deep in Bears Territory. We are talking about a team that used to hold teams to negative yards rushing...

During the regular season, they held their opponents to 10 points or less in 11 of the 16 games.

The 85 Bears was the best defense EVER. And while they didn't win multiple Super Bowls... their defense was consistently GREAT over a long period of time.

I would rate the Steel Curtain as second.

And I'm willing to see this years Bucs rate up with The Purple Eaters... and the Fearsome Foursome... because they have been good for more than one year.

The Ravens still have more to prove. Lossing Lewis this year didn't help them. But in the end, they may rise on my list.

	29-01-2003 03:14									#163
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quote: And I didn't forget the Ravens... but remember, that defense had only one memorable year. It isn't just the Bucs who have been more consistent on defense over the years than the Ravens... the Titans were more consistent. Heck, officially, in 2000, the Titans had the better defense!

The Ravens let only 265 points against in 2001 (after an AMAZING 165 PA in 2000). Last year Tampa let up 280 PA and in 2001 they gave up 269. This year Tampa let up 196. That shows that the Ravens had TWO great defensive years. That's enough to qualify for a good all time Defense.

In 2000 Tennessee gave up 191 points, which is 25 points MORE than Baltimore gave up. In terms of total yards given up, Tennessee had only 4,151 yards against while Baltimore had 4,145 yards against! That's a slim margin of 6 yards, but STILL Baltimore wins in both catagories. Where is the official better?

All stats from http://www.pro-football-reference.com

edit: ALSO in 1999, Baltimore only gave up 277 points, which is less than Tampa gave up last year, which means THREE great years in a row for the Ravens .

	29-01-2003 04:35									#164
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I did not forget the Ravens. They are in my top 5 along with the 85 bears and the steel curtain.

I don't think Tampa Bay is the best defense. In fact I know they are not. But like I said they are the fastest. If they were #1 against the run and allowed fewer points I would maybe say they were the best.