06-02-2003 05:34									#31
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the new archer (on the river at the moment, iirc, should join bob gunning done that single barb, even if he isn't needed he can use that practice, perhaps he becomes a veteran.
in addition dave (or some other warrior/s, not needed at the moment) should explore the south, there might be plenty of good countrysite just waiting for our next cities, even that ain't the case, it will be good to know that part of the map.

	06-02-2003 05:43									#32
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All available troops should make best speed for Innsbruck and attack.

	06-02-2003 05:51									#33
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dear mr. baggins, please explain what you consider as avaible. those troups guarding our cities against barbarians and keeping order there (btw, its a shame a civilized nation has still to use force inside its owns cities) those ones meant to escort or soon to be settler to its destination, those protecting our interest in that place (the coal) those going to do the vital job of exploring the south or those ones you dreamed of?

	06-02-2003 06:05									#34
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some of all of the above...

the exploration isn't as valuable as an extra conquered city

the area denial would be nice, but we simply don't have extra troops to spare

1 or perhaps 2 troops from Pedrunn to ensure a viable and decisive attack...

the escort can be handled from a (yet-to-be-built) unit from HP.

Decisiveness is necessary to claw whatever edge we can now.

Things are thin now.. but they are about to look VERY thin in the future.

	06-02-2003 06:51									#35
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As far as I can remember our citizens have not yet voted for a war, no attack should be launched until a poll has been regularly held and a decision allowing war has been clearly expressed.

	06-02-2003 06:55									#36
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This is a plan making session for the Party of War... its strictly party business

	06-02-2003 06:57									#37
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Plus Ministers and Prime Ministers don't HAVE to abide by the decisions of even the official polls... although they have to give their reasoning... even if its... 'I don't agree that its in our best interest to follow the course of action recommended by the poll'

However, the poll is showing an advantage for war, right now...

	06-02-2003 07:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins This is a plan making session for the Party of War... its strictly party business

So why isn't this business managed through the War Party thread?

	06-02-2003 07:23									#39
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ahhh... sorry... you're right...

but what would you peaceniks want with this thread anyway?

	06-02-2003 07:24									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Plus Ministers and Prime Ministers don't HAVE to abide by the decisions of even the official polls... although they have to give their reasoning... even if its... 'I don't agree that its in our best interest to follow the course of action recommended by the poll'

How naive I am, I thought it was a democracy game.

	06-02-2003 07:25									#41
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Yes... and Democracies work just this way

	06-02-2003 07:27									#42
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* MrBaggins laughs... thinking how ironically current it would be...

	06-02-2003 07:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins ahhh... sorry... you're right...

Thanks!

quote: but what would you peaceniks want with this thread anyway?

Even if a war is about to be decided we are citizens and thus concerned by the use of our armies and such decisions should not be made in secret.

	06-02-2003 07:36									#44
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I didn't say secret... just... that it wouldn't be something that pinko liberals would want to be part of...

	06-02-2003 07:38									#45
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You are wrong... and I DON'T WANT TO BE MISTER PINK.

	06-02-2003 07:40									#46
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so yu'rra card-carryin' Red then??

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* MrBaggins winks

	06-02-2003 14:12									#48
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Us pinko-card-carrying-hemp-smoking-liberals are here to prevent you bloodthirsty-meatheads from making a terrible mistake.

Keep exploring.

	06-02-2003 14:15									#49
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins ahhh... sorry... you're right... but what would you peaceniks want with this thread anyway?

ensure peace!

your posts seem like you want to change this democracy game into a junta-game and if you want to deny people with other thoughts than your one the right of freedom of speach. please prove me wrong.

	06-02-2003 17:44									#50
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Zaphod Beeblebrox> Seems like you get to exercise your freedom of speech a lot... ironically proven by the very fact that you did, responding to this thread...

Devil of Truth> Exploring means delay. Delay means their progressing more than twice as fast as us, turn on turn... we need to use as large a concentrated force as we can muster of combined infantry, and attack a weakly defended enemy town. Their loss, our gain, and a tide turned.

What would exploration teach us, anyway? That we are surrounded, and being closed in on, fast? Heres a clue, thats no big surprise. If you are aiming to look for settling sites to the south, pre a road network, heres another clue... lots of hills = high distance penalties to the capital.

	06-02-2003 19:49									#51
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Any chance of keeping this on topic? The discussion of unit movements for the next chat.......

	06-02-2003 20:40									#52
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Excellent point Mr.B. And very eloquently put too. I agree. What good would exploration do? Instead, we can valiantly dash into the unknown, against an enemy we know nothing about, bearing nothing but slightly pointy sticks and nary a trace of intelligent strategies.

Yeehah! Smells like Viet Nam boys.

Oooh. Didn’t that end in a "strategic withdrawal?"

Ah well. Who needs to learn from history anyway?

	06-02-2003 22:14									#53
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If you're gonna quote about smells and Vietnam, there is only one worthy quote:

"Nothing else in the world smells like that.... I love the smell of napalm in the morning.... It smells like... victory."

Vietnam is a lot different from the situation we are facing here... primarily because there are no nuclear weapons involved.

Secondly, that was not a battle for survival... it was an ideological power projection.

This is most certainly a battle for our survival...

Here is the problem. Each of our enemies is growing at twice our speed.

If we wait, their advantage just increases. There is no point when we'll catch up, unless we exploit a weak situation now.

This does mean risk. There is, however, no alternative.

MrBaggins

	07-02-2003 04:57									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins "Nothing else in the world smells like that.... I love the smell of napalm in the morning.... It smells like... victory."

the point is, we don't have napalm.

	07-02-2003 05:24									#55
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True, but we DO have pointy sticks and little thin sticks that whistle through the air and sting worse than a hornet. We also have the Great Lemur looking over our shoulders to make things work out