03-02-2003 01:58									#31
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I agree


complacensy is VERY dangerouse.

	03-02-2003 01:58									#32
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Nahhh, I get what you're trying to say, but I think that the first part of your statement invalidates the second.

If *everything* is a potential risk, then doing *anything* increases the liklihood of getting killed.

So you have to make choices.

Yes....driving to work every day is a risk, but you need money else your kid will starve...whatchagonna do?

Some jobs pay better than others....those jobs create more opportunities for your children, and sometimes carry with them greater risks. Again, whatchagonnado? You want the best for your children, right?

And of course, then there are jobs that are far, far larger than the people who work them.

Space exploration, for example.

Work at the Centers for Disease Control.

Let's say we've got a talented scientist at the CDC who wants to get married and have a family. Now here's a guy doing big, important work....and also potentially deadly work.

Should we be able to tell that person...no, you cannot have a family....how thoughtless of you for considering it! Or, should we say....sure, have your family, and by the way, you're fired. Not cos you're not brilliant, but because we don't want to see your children put at risk of losing you.

Impractical.

Choices.

Each person has his/her own comfort level with how much they're willing to risk. I do not see how we could ever organize any sort of "governing body" over that sort of behavior, and if we ever could, I would think it extremely unwise.

-=Vel=-

	03-02-2003 02:04									#33
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My point is that they knew that the chances of getting killed were very high but they still did it without thinking of the children.

Let a single, childless, adult take the chance of getting killed to become a hero.

Not the parents

	03-02-2003 02:05									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Only a selfish, irrispossable parent would put themselvs first

Oh yeah, these astronaughts risking their lives for whatever ideals they may have (adventure, pursuit of knowledge, service to mankind, etc) are real selfish. I just dont see how you can draw this conclusion so... err... conclusively.

	03-02-2003 02:05									#35
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There is no life without risk. If you leave the house you expose yourself to germs, pollution, and accidents. If you stay in the house you expose yourself to toxics and accidents.

What do you think you're teaching your children by being a coward? That risk is bad, never try for anything better. That's not a life, that's just waiting to die.

	03-02-2003 02:08									#36
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So why did they choose to become astronauts?

Money? power? GLORY?


I think they chose for the GLORY.

I can think of better ways to make more money to feed the kids.

	03-02-2003 02:10									#37
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*Calc slowlys gets up after being all crawled up in the corner.

Sweet!~ no response to my post whatsoever for 10 min! I didnt need my anti-flame suit!~

	03-02-2003 02:10									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood I like you guys and I am not trying to belittle you, so, bear with me, you guys know I have a hard time communicating my thoughts I don't think you understand what I am tring to say. Everything in life is a chance if getting you killed. So why increase your chances of getting killed? I don't think I can explain this one

oky dokie. I just had to share my disagreence with you. I dont wanna sound like im attacking you and your ideas or anything, just sharing my thoughts on the subject (which just happen to be diametrically apposed to yours)

Kman

	03-02-2003 02:11									#39
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You don't think these space missions are the benefit of mankind do you?


Its all gotta do with profit.

	03-02-2003 02:11									#40
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If everyone thought like you, humanity would still be living on the African plains and hunting with rocks.

LIFE IS RISK! Get over it and live.

	03-02-2003 02:13									#41
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quote: Sweet!~ no response to my post whatsoever for 10 min! I didnt need my anti-flame suit!~

I agreed with you

	03-02-2003 02:15									#42
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If everyone thought like you, humanity would still be living on the African plains and hunting with rocks. LIFE IS RISK! Get over it and live.

rocks are dangerous too. you might drop it on yourself.

It would be interesting to ask them if they wanted to still do the flight knowing that theres a part malfunctioning which could potentially ruin their landing.

I thoguht about it for moment, and I reluctantly heard some shuttle stuff on the radio, since my car radio is 24/7 turned on... The email one of the member sent to the family before the tragedy happened makes me think it would have been worth it just to see the space one day to die for...

Maybe i should have been an astronaut? dammit.

quote: I agreed with you

Thanks, I figured nobody would agree with a person who attacked something that is being idolized at this point in time. But seriously I wasnt trying to spit on their graves. When I first posted

	03-02-2003 02:17									#43
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quote: If everyone thought like you, humanity would still be living on the African plains and hunting with rocks.

I think if more thought like me there would a lot less parentless children in the world

	03-02-2003 02:19									#44
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DocFeelGood, in a postive way of looking at it, If more people thought like you, there would be more caring parents in the world

(that and I owe you a kissup. )

	03-02-2003 02:20									#45
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ok


You guys reach for the stars.

don't let Doc depress you.

You can do anything you put your mind to

Im just a old worry wart.

but


this is how you get old

	03-02-2003 02:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood I think if more thought like me there would a lot less parentless children in the world

And a lot more middle-aged losers spending their lives on internet forums.

	03-02-2003 02:38									#47
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internet is dangerous. Too many hackers and virus that might steal your credit card / personal information

	03-02-2003 03:06									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood I think if more thought like me there would a lot less parentless children in the world

There'd be a lot less people too (almost six billion less). But we'd still be getting eaten by lions and crocodiles too.

You can't shield children from the real world unless you want them to grow up crippled and unprepared to deal with it.

	03-02-2003 03:07									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood this is how you get old

No, it's how you get old before you're old. There are plenty of old people who went into space, and crossed the seas, and did all kinds of dangerous things. And there are plenty of people like you, who spent their whole life being dead, and never got to experience being alive.

	03-02-2003 03:35									#50
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Those "car driving" comparisons are great.

Would you drive the sort of car where, after 28 journeys, they'd be scraping your mortal remains off Texas with a spatula?

	03-02-2003 03:45									#51
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Depends on the situation. If it helped make the world a better place, maybe.

	03-02-2003 09:28									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood So why did they choose to become astronauts? Money? power? GLORY? I think they chose for the GLORY. I can think of better ways to make more money to feed the kids.

Parents do things because they love their children. If I follow your way of thinking none of the following professions should have anyone who is a parent.

1. Firefighters
2. Police Officers
3. Military
4. Astronauts
5. Airline personnel, those who fly.

I'm sure there are others but I can't think of them.
So any of the people in these professions don't love their children because they are in dangerous jobs. I don’t mean to offend you or anyone else, but I take great offense to this way of thinking.

	03-02-2003 09:48									#53
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First of all, astronauts are among the bravest, and non-selfish people in our society. They risk their lives for the betterment of posterity -- in other words, their children. The scientific experiments they conduct in orbit may someday improve the lives of their future generations.


Now, to the nitty-gritty:

Docfeelgood's Rule 153, Section A, Page 1007:

Parents are forbidden to take up any job position or career that involves any safety risk.
Parents are forbidden to participate in the follow activities:
grocery shopping -- can get mowed over by a shopping cart used by a pyscho-maniac

pumping gas in car at gas station -- station could blow up with a gas tank leak

crossing street -- you could get mowed over

doing yard work -- any tools or implements with sharp objects are hereby outlawed

driving -- driving your own car entails inherent risks
riding public transportation -- entails inherent risks

If there are any questions, please refer to Section AB, Page 2023.

	03-02-2003 11:58									#54
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the shuttle is still probably less risky than driving an automobile.

I don't agree with this thread at all.

If you don't take risks, you cease to have any meaningful purpose to life.

They do this for their children. This should be obvious. The best thing you can do for your children is to be the best person you can be. Not be a coward.

That's all that needs to be said in this thread. Case Closed!

	03-02-2003 16:56									#55
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Well, ya wanna git nasty about it, I don't give a good fvck what you think

Dout any of you have or will have any children because the closest thing to a peice of azz some of you can git is your finger slipping through the toilet paper.

Thank god there is a filter in your gene pool

Last edited by Docfeelgood on 04-02-2003 at 00:06

	03-02-2003 17:04									#56
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quote: Those "car driving" comparisons are great.

Ya don't know what your talkin about.

1 in 75 is the odds of getting killed on a shuttel ride.

Can you use that pea between your ears to tell all of us what the odds of getting killed in a car wreck?

Hint: its in the millions!

	03-02-2003 17:08									#57
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quote: the shuttle is still probably less risky than driving an automobile.

wanna bet on it?

	03-02-2003 17:09									#58
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The thing is, the astronauts' children will still be provided for, even after their death. Sure, it won't be as good as if the childrens fathers are still alive, but parents can't avoid living just to avoid a risk.

	03-02-2003 17:12									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Ya don't know what your talkin about. 1 in 75 is the odds of getting killed on a shuttel ride. Can you use that pea between your ears to tell all of us what the odds of getting killed in a car wreck? Hint: its in the millions!

You probably don't want to continue in that direction.
Learn to read more than just the first sentence.

Hint: He's providing evidence for your side.

	03-02-2003 17:14									#60
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Yep. I will think bout this the next time I tell a crack head to think about the kids before they smoke another rock.

Hell, they are doing what they want to do

YEP, who are we to tell them not to have a bunch kids