09-02-2003 01:15									#31
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I posted the following on the inter-site forum. We should give some thought to this. I appreciate that it will depend on who the Consuls are. Then again, maybe we need to elect consuls based on the following criteria: one European, one North America east, one North America west. That would optimize our time playing ability. Just a thought.

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May I also propose that teams think about and post the times they are most likely to be able to play the game. Rather than a random start - I think we should try and set the play order up in a way that will best accomodate schedules and time zones.

The time counter will set aside a 7 'green' hour period (sleep, work, real life stuff) during which a team will not be charged time if they have the save. That is fine, but I think we can also make arrangements to ensure that to the extent we can, teams get the save at a time they can play it right away.
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	09-02-2003 18:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound I posted the following on the inter-site forum. We should give some thought to this. I appreciate that it will depend on who the Consuls are. Then again, maybe we need to elect consuls based on the following criteria: one European, one North America east, one North America west. That would optimize our time playing ability. Just a thought. QUOTE / May I also propose that teams think about and post the times they are most likely to be able to play the game. Rather than a random start - I think we should try and set the play order up in a way that will best accomodate schedules and time zones. The time counter will set aside a 7 'green' hour period (sleep, work, real life stuff) during which a team will not be charged time if they have the save. That is fine, but I think we can also make arrangements to ensure that to the extent we can, teams get the save at a time they can play it right away. /QUOTE

hi ,

, only seven hours to sleep eat and do other stuff , .......

its good to hear that some things came true like map etc , ....

barbarians should be raging > massive outbreaks

have a nice day

	10-02-2003 08:12									#33
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From the intersite forum. The team votes are finalized.

FINAL INTERSITE GAME PARAMETERS

8 human civs, no AI's
No accel. Production
Standard victory conditions
Monarch level difficulty
Standard world/map size
Continents 2 landmass
Normal climate, temperate, 4 billion yr
Restless barbarians

	10-02-2003 13:19									#34
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound From the intersite forum. The team votes are finalized. FINAL INTERSITE GAME PARAMETERS 8 human civs, no AI's No accel. Production Standard victory conditions Monarch level difficulty Standard world/map size Continents 2 landmass Normal climate, temperate, 4 billion yr Restless barbarians

Awesome, exactly my favourite SP settings.

	10-02-2003 23:40									#35
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Awesome, exactly my favourite SP settings.

Same Here

	11-02-2003 00:40									#36
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Awesome, exactly my favourite SP settings.

I agree as well. Make the game settings as 'neutral' as possible, setting the best stage possible for the team vs team competition. I got a sense that that is what all the sites were keen on.

	11-02-2003 01:05									#37
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Awesome, exactly my favourite SP settings.

Mine too.

Aidun

	11-02-2003 03:42									#38
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1BC has officially and regretfully withdrawn from the game. The Gamecatcher site has agreed to take their place, and play by the game parameters already established. Not sure if they will get their civ choices in by this evening. We may have to give them an extra 12 hours or something like that. We may still be using the 1BC United Nations forum as our neutral game admin site. Will let you know as soon as I do.

Here is the intro from the new team.


"Let me introduce myself. I am Lucky, administrator over at Gamecatcher. We are a strategy gaming community also especially interested in Civilization games. Many of our members are or have been regulars at the bigger Civ sites.

To our knowledge we also have been the first to set up a Multi-Team Civ2 Democracy game and we also tried our luck with a Multi-Site Civ2 game. That´s why we still have a basic team ready to take any Civ-challenge.

Some of you may now us as hosting a PtW developer chat with Firaxis last year and several other events.

I am truly sorry to hear that 1BC has difficulties finding the time for yet another demogame, but we can fully understand this and we hope to be an adequate replacement in this upcoming PBEM event.
In this light we´d also like to invite anyone from 1BC and other places, too, to join our team over at our place."

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	12-02-2003 00:16									#39
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Any official explanation as to why 1BC dropped out?

	12-02-2003 09:10									#40
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Here was Mongoose's post re: 1BC.


"Hello all, after discussions between myself and bolan longpants, it has been decided that 1bc should give up our position in this game because of constraints on our time caused by our other activities. We don't want to hold up the progress of the game and we are already behind and the game has not yet started. With that being said, our friends at Gamecatcher have agreed to take our position in this endeavor. I would also like to volunteer myself to be a neutral moderator/mediator of it is felt that one is needed. All non-private game discussions can still take place here as there has not been much else going on in this forum. Sorry we couldn't take a bigger role."

	14-02-2003 04:24									#41
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Posted by Soren Johnson of Firaxis. There is now some discussion about how to resolve the civ choice issue. The general concensus is for Firaxis to coose a civ which has not yet been picked, particularly since all teams have reported back on the civ choices.

Start date is goiing to be Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday. We may start Sunday - and put Firaxis last in the play order.

Here's the post. Will keep you up to date on things as they develop.

"sorry for the delay...

Our choices:

1: Ottomans
2: China
3: Carthage

name: Firaxis Games
leadername: Sid Meier
title: Father of Gaming
noun: Firaxian(s)
adjective: Firaxian
color: anything but pink

and our best availablility is between noon and 8pm EST...

btw, we will not be able to play our first turn until Tuesday the 18th..."

	14-02-2003 04:27									#42
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Have the other teams posted their favorite times yet?

	14-02-2003 05:29									#43
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Yes - for the most part. We are waiting on one team which hasn't quite clued in to the purpose behind it. I was a bit freaked when they asked "Well, if we have a full day to play our turn, what does it matter?" Don't worry - we all jumped on him.

I will gather up the times and bring them back here later tonight.

	14-02-2003 05:43									#44
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What's our best time? Evening EST?

	14-02-2003 06:49									#45
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And this from soren johnson:

"ok, we choose Egypt

and sorry about missing the deadline... we had a major, major milestone this week, so everything else sort of hit the back-burner. "

Any ideas about the major milestone....????

	14-02-2003 07:51									#46
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What's our best time? Evening EST?

This would depend entirely on who our Consuls are, wouldn't it?

	14-02-2003 08:20									#47
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my best time is from 7 to midnight EST

	14-02-2003 09:12									#48
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound And this from soren johnson: and sorry about missing the deadline... we had a major, major milestone this week, so everything else sort of hit the back-burner. "

Are we going to have to wait for them to play a turn, if this happens sometime in the future??

E_T

	14-02-2003 09:37									#49
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My good times are anywhere from 10am EST until 2am EST.

	14-02-2003 12:46									#50
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Are we going to have to wait for them to play a turn, if this happens sometime in the future?? E_T

I think we can well afford to allow Soren and his boys some time to get their turn done. If anything, some turns have come too fast in the other game.

BTW, have any of us considered that Sid might be paying attention to this lunatic project? How many of us have wished at some point to play against Sid?

Do you think it's worth cutting them some slack?

	14-02-2003 12:48									#51
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If elected, I would be able to cover 8am to 11pm GMT on all days, very often staying up as late as 2am GMT.

	14-02-2003 13:05									#52
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Any ideas about the major milestone....????

I think they ought to tell us now.

	14-02-2003 20:12									#53
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I think we can well afford to allow Soren and his boys some time to get their turn done. If anything, some turns have come too fast in the other game. BTW, have any of us considered that Sid might be paying attention to this lunatic project? How many of us have wished at some point to play against Sid? Do you think it's worth cutting them some slack?

Are you kidding?

Saying "I lost to Sid Meier" is nothing like "I beat Sid Meier".

	14-02-2003 20:15									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Are you kidding? Saying "I lost to Sid Meier" is nothing like "I beat Sid Meier".

hi ,

well at least you can say you played with him then , .....

have a nice day

	15-02-2003 12:57									#55
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Where are we going to be posting that we have played our turn?

E_T

	15-02-2003 13:00									#56
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We may not... most PBEM games don't allow such a practice, at least at CFC.

	16-02-2003 05:15									#57
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This is the fairness pledge I have drafted - based largely on Togas' original pledge for our PTWDG- (thank-you sir) - and posted on the intersite forum for comment and or approval. The specific time references can be removed to the rules section, to which the pledge refers. Any comments. And please remember - this is a 'spirit and intent' pledge - not a constitution. Thanks.

PTW Intersite Democracy Game Pledge


As the leader and representative of my team, I give you, the other leaders and team members in the game, the following promise:

I, and my team, hereby promise that we will fully abide by the rules and the spirit of the rules in this multi-team democracy game.

We will not play ahead or abuse the game save in any manner. We will not use the game save in any way to view another team's position.

We will not attempt to enter or view any private forums. We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging or falsify our identities in any fashion.

We agree not to communicate with another team in any meaningful way regarding the game until that team is actually contacted in the game. Minimaps, or other similar re-creations providing a teams location in the world, will not be traded until maps are actually traded in the game.

We will not engage in any double identity or double log-in activity, nor will we condone it. If we become of aware of such activity, it will be made public to all teams immediately. Any members engaging in such activity will be banned from ALL teams involved in the game. Any information revealed by a double identity player will be made known to the other team involved, and the neutral administrator, and appropriate compensation, as either agreed by the teams, or if agreement is not possible, as determined by the neutral administrator, will be provided.

We will do our best to quickly complete our turns and make the save available for the next team prior to the deadline. This deadline is 24 hours per team per turn. The 24 hour rule notwithstanding, we acknowledge that a time counter will be used to time play, and all reasonable efforts will be made to play the turn within the constraints of the time counter, which provides 4 hours per turn per team, in aggregate fashion. Each team will start with a bank of 100 hours.

In the case of game process issues and disputes, we agree to acknowledge and abide by the ruling of the neutral adminstrator. The neutral administrator for this game will be mongoose of 1BigCommunity or his designate, who will not be, and will not have been, a member of a team in the game.

Furthermore, we will expell anyone from our team who willingly breaks these rules.


We wish you all the best of luck and good civin'!

	16-02-2003 05:38									#58
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Sounds good. Obviously the toughest thing to enforce in the "no meaningful comm. until teams meet in the game." It will mainly be up to the person received the attempted illegal communication not to respond and to notify ppl if they persist..