19-02-2003 01:04									#31
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quote: P4 3.06 best price: $632

Isn't this what you were talking about?

If you use the DDR Ram, you won't be taking advantage of the Intel BUS speed. But hey, it's your money.

Just please don't get an ATI. I've had ATI cards, Voodoo cards, and Nvidia cards. Nvidia owns all...

	19-02-2003 01:08									#32
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The E7205 chipset UR points to uses dual-channel DDR and offers similar performance to PC1066 RDRAM, but with DDR.

	19-02-2003 03:03									#33
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sava, that's wht i was talking about, but AMD does not have a comperable processor

	19-02-2003 03:04									#34
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	19-02-2003 03:50									#35
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sava, the best AMD processor is the XP 3000. it operates at 2.16 gHz. it costs around $600.

the fastest p4 is the 3.06 gHz at $610

amd= more expensive for less

	19-02-2003 03:52									#36
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Buying a high end processor is useless, at this point. Although I'm not quite sure what you would use your comp for.

	19-02-2003 04:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Okay, i'm building a computer for my roommate. So far, we know we are getting (everything retail): Processor: P4 3.06 best price: $632 video card: Radeon 9700 Pro best price: $291 hdd: Western digital SE 120GB best price: $144 sound card: audigy 2 platinum best price: $231 drives: sony DRU 500AX +-rw best price: $346 toshiba 16x dvd best price: $45 I'm looking for suggestions on what motherboard: ? case: ? cool accessories: ? should it be Rambus or ddr? whadayathink?

hi ,

for that prize you buy a good mac , ....

have a nice day

	19-02-2003 04:11									#38
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You could, but why would he????

For that price you could also buy Michael Jackson's sock, but that doesn't make it a good deal.

	19-02-2003 04:15									#39
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I'd rather have Jacko's sock instead of a Mac... I have to use a Mac at school and it sux!

	19-02-2003 05:29									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak reismark: extra drive for $45 = less wear on the expensive one

Good point

	19-02-2003 07:37									#41
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I would prefer to have the money than either a Mac or Jacko's sock.

	19-02-2003 08:08									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak sava, the best AMD processor is the XP 3000. it operates at 2.16 gHz. it costs around $600. the fastest p4 is the 3.06 gHz at $610 amd= more expensive for less

You are right. At the highest end both companies can't make enough for the market anyway, so why bother to compete on price?

That's why I suggested a 2.4GHz processor. It's a nice break point even for Intel CPUs, and AMD ones are definitely cheaper from there on down.

	19-02-2003 08:14									#43
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I don't think there's a shortage of 3.06GHz parts at all, there's tons of them up in the Great White North, 3000+ Athlons are still rare though...

	19-02-2003 08:41									#44
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well, it isn't my money, so that helps a lot and hehe, did someone say something about a mac?!!

	19-02-2003 12:48									#45
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kaak, im looking to upgrade my computer but it does have a sole music application role. therefore i am no judge of what is the greatest and latest video and soundcards. heres what im doing so far.

intel 845gebv2l mobo(has 4 USB ports, and 3 pci slots, supports DDR 333mhz ram):$118

P4 2.8ghz:$381

mushkin pc2700 ram 512mbs x 2: $370

enermax eg465p 430w power supply: $82

chieftec dh-sl01 case(3 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5" external, 3 x 3.5" internal):$45

AG NEOVO 17" LCD Black monitor Model F-17: $369

win xp: $93

adaptec 29160 scsi controller:$194

fujitsu 36GB scsi hard drive 15k rpm:$288

all at newegg.com

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	19-02-2003 12:52									#46
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P4 2.4G $178

	19-02-2003 13:09									#47
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MRT: I have been looking things over, and i think you should ditch the SCSI, and use the money to go with a better motherboard...

take a look at the Gigabyte GA-8INXP

It also has an integrated serial ATA interface, which will soon rival the best of scsi drives for a fraction of the cost....This board also supports Dual DDR ( 2 seperate memory systems, works incredibly well with hyperthreaded processors, and improves speed all around anyway...


Don't go with old technology, go with what is going to replace it

http://tw.giga-byte.com/products/8inxp.htm

	19-02-2003 13:14									#48
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if you don't like that one, another good option is the MSI MS-6565, Alias GNB Max. These are both based on the brand new Granite Canyon chipset that supports dual ddr (transfer rate of 4.2 G/s).



http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboa...3/e7205-16.html

	19-02-2003 13:17									#49
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kaak, like i said, this is specifically for music. im basically upgrading my old computer(ok im just using 2 IDE drives from my old computer weighing in at 120GB total)

scsi is vastly important when it comes to recording and playback of tracks from hard disk. track count specifically is dependant on seek and read and write times and really scsi is the only way to go. i can effectively double my track count(and i do use 64 stereo audio tracks sometimes) with scsi.

the mobo does what i want it to do which is hold my p4, and my pc2700 ram, no need to get bells and whistles for stuff i dont need.

	19-02-2003 14:14									#50
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okay, okay, but i think you are underestimating the serial ata drives

	19-02-2003 14:19									#51
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actually i looked into the dual ddr thing and me likes...i think ill go for it. actually its only like 120 dollars more for the mobo and pc2100 ram, and thats money well spent. and actually im thinking of taking 2 more sticks of 512 pc1000. 2 gigs of ram baby! so the total will be like 220 dollars more, but thats money well spend.

the only issue i have is ive heard of problems of the gigabyte board of posting occasionally. whats up with that?!?

	19-02-2003 14:37									#52
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MRT: Why just Ultra160, not Ultra320?

	19-02-2003 14:56									#53
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give me the name of a controller card that can do it

wait, ive found some, and wow, thats a lot of money...its almost twice as much as a ultra 160...

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	19-02-2003 15:22									#54
	Got spare money?

What did you expect then if the speed is doubled too?

	19-02-2003 15:24									#55
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quiet you actually the hard drive will cost more too...ah well, you only live once!

	19-02-2003 15:49									#56
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What you can do is to have an Ultra320 controller card with Ultra160 HDD now. Upgrade to Ultra320 HDD later.

	19-02-2003 16:20									#57
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well i can only hope and pray that prices go down in 4 months when i actually get around to building this thing. hopefully prices on everything that is, so then maybe i can splurge a bit. as the plan is now im gonna go with 160/160 for the recording hard drive.

	19-02-2003 23:11									#58
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hi ,

you can find loads of cheap compstuff at sell outs from customs , .... most countries do that several time a year , ...

other good places are sell outs due to bankruptcy , etc , ...

have a nice day

	19-02-2003 23:37									#59
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i missed the great bankruptcy cache in the bay area in 2001...webvan HQ being just a 5 minute bike ride from my house.