24-02-2003 00:42									#31
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The embassy bombings apparently killed 12 Americans including a Consul General.

	24-02-2003 00:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I wouldn't. And the people tha did it are unlikely to view the government that allows the US ships there as legitimate. If a group wants to fight a guerilla war against the US, then all US military forces anywhere in the world are legitimate targets, just like all of Iraq's military forces were legitimate targets in the 1991 war whether they were occupying Kuwait or not.

So what differentiates Oklahoma City? Tim McVeigh viewed the US Federal Government as illegitimate, and considered it a valid target, despite the presence of civilians, because it was a government building.

	24-02-2003 00:49									#33
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By far the only problem in the US is the fact that our individual rights are quickly diminishing, and have been for years. Stuff like Al Qaeda, Iraq, North Korea, public education, violence, etc., pale in comparison.

	24-02-2003 00:52									#34
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Not all government buildings are legitimate military targets. Only buildings which serve directly to increase the military power of the opposition

If he'd hit the Pentagon then he'd be a guerilla. Hitting the Federal Building which was full of civilian employees dedicated to serving the civilian population makes him a terrorist.

	24-02-2003 02:10									#35
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1. It's still the economy, stupid!

2. Enviromental issues.

3. Healthcare

4. Corporate corruption

5. arrogance in diplomacy

6. Civil rights

7. Al Qaeda

8. North Korea

9. Seperation of church and state

10. India vs. Pakistan

11. Stupid conservatives!

12. helping the Kurds against Turkish bigotry

	24-02-2003 02:23									#36
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It's Bananas I tell you!

	24-02-2003 02:29									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It's Bananas I tell you!

Quit dissing bannanas!!! What did they do wrong?

	24-02-2003 02:55									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone The greatest response to the stability of the Union was by a Republican president

Abe Lincoln would be a Democrat if he were alive today. He certainly wasn't a conservative.

For my answer... Dubya, Cheney, and that whole evil administration is the country's biggest problem. Once they are done f*cking up our country, we can get back to fixing it.

	24-02-2003 02:57									#39
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I´m still wondering how many of the votes have gone to al Quaeda as the main problem the US faces ....

I´m happy that this war is not a European one but an Anglo-American.

	24-02-2003 03:02									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch Why, the Commies are the Biggest Problem!

You got it

	24-02-2003 03:07									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The USS Cole was a terrorist attack, it just wasn't directed against civilians.

terroism is conducted against civilians, atleast the way most people are using in now

	24-02-2003 03:32									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger No it wasn't; it was a guerilla atack against a legitimate military target.

When 1941 Japan attacks our ships, it isn't legitimate, but when terrorists do, it is?

	24-02-2003 03:59									#43
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The US is carefull to define terrorists as those who attack civilians so as not to be included as terrorists themselves

	24-02-2003 13:31									#44
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btw I'm not pro-war.

I hate when people call me that. I'm just pro- getting rid of leaders who oppose the U.N. resolutions for 12 years.

	24-02-2003 18:46									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior When 1941 Japan attacks our ships, it isn't legitimate, but when terrorists do, it is?

No it wasn't, you little brainwashed child.

The Japanese attack was just a sneak attack. It's been done hundreds of times before. It was not terrorist in any sense of the word.

And they even bothered to attempt to declare war on you before your ships started getting hit to preserve the appearance of fair play...

	24-02-2003 23:20									#46
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And the media compares Pearl Harbor to 9-11, which makes people think that Pearl Harbor was a terrorist attack. Which it wasn't.

	24-02-2003 23:39									#47
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quote: 1. **** Cheney and his wonder-puppet, Dubya. 2. Karl Rove 3. Donald Rumsfeld If the three above weren't there, about half of the problems on the list wouldn't be there.

The other half is John Ashcroft.

	24-02-2003 23:43									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo The other half is John Ashcroft.

Ah, I knew I had missed someone...

	25-02-2003 00:17									#49
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You can tell that the Euros are stuffing the ballot box when the following is a top-rated problem...

Rift growing between US and its traditional allies

	25-02-2003 01:56									#50
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quote: Abe Lincoln would be a Democrat if he were alive today.

And Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Andrew Jackson would be Republicans. What is your point?

	25-02-2003 02:03									#51
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I already voted for the economy, but I was thinking about another problem facing America. If Bush keeps getting our military tied up all over the world the Canadians could sneak attack. Notice on this very thread that frogger is defending the attack on Pearl Harbor.

	25-02-2003 02:03									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Note: I know that Iraq, North Korea, and Al Qaeda are all bigger problems than say, the Economy. However, foreign policy and domestic issues are seperate problems, so you should not compare them.

Note: no they're not

	25-02-2003 02:26									#53
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I voted for four top problems:

1) Al-Queda and its network

2) North Korea

3) tension between India and Pakistan

4) other civil rights issues


By the fourth problem, I am referring to the fact that homosexuals are still denied federal, equal protection under the Constitution of equal rights in terms of employment, housing, spouse tax benefits, and so forth.

There appears to be significant progress though, at business, city, and state levels in different parts of the United States.

	25-02-2003 03:19									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK I already voted for the economy, but I was thinking about another problem facing America. If Bush keeps getting our military tied up all over the world the Canadians could sneak attack. Notice on this very thread that frogger is defending the attack on Pearl Harbor.

CSIS is coming for you.

	25-02-2003 03:51									#55
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Um, Frogger -- you defend Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor?

	25-02-2003 03:54									#56
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No more than I "defend" Hitler's attack on Poland.

	25-02-2003 03:59									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger No more than I "defend" Hitler's attack on Poland.

So you were misquoted?

	25-02-2003 04:00									#58
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But there was nothing "wrong" with it in the same sense that bombing civilians or machine-gunning prisoners is wrong.

And it certainly cannot be considered a terrorist attack in any reasonable sense of the word.

If the war is morally wrong (as Japan's war against the US was) then such an attack is morally wrong by extension. But if the war is morally right then such an attack would not be wrong on its own merits, as the indiscriminate bombing of cities would be, or as Japanese treatment of captive populations in mainland China was.

	25-02-2003 04:01									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So you were misquoted?

Which quote? I see no quote saying that it was morally right for Japan to attack the US in December 1941...

	25-02-2003 04:07									#60
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DuncanK made the claim that you defended Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor -- unless that was in jest.