07-04-2003 03:51									#31
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It works fine with old versions of JVM, but that isn't a solution because I actively use the newer version of JVM.

	08-04-2003 13:31									#32
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How old?1.2 or before?

	08-04-2003 14:54									#33
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Default Win98 version, whatever that is.
I don't have access to the machine to check the version number though.

	13-04-2003 01:17									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns It works fine with old versions of JVM, but that isn't a solution because I actively use the newer version of JVM.

For me it isn't a solution, either. I need the java compiler and I don't deinstall the whole pack to end up with some old java plugin for my browsers. Well but it looks that I should get a new Java anyway as I have version 1.4.0 and that should be a little bit buggy.

-Martin

	15-04-2003 02:04									#35
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It is very difficuilt to post a reply, isn't it, Marcos.

-Martin

	15-04-2003 02:11									#36
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I asked him (in the chat) if he'd seen this thread, to which he replied, "please refer to my previous statement ". When I asked where the previous comment was, his reply was the same but with two s

I can only speculate that he's commented on this issue before, but if so, I'm unable to see where he did so.

	15-04-2003 02:19									#37
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Yeah this is a problem, I don't know were I could find his previous statement and I doubt that the search function help. I used it tody with words that should give me a result. Well I found a word that gave me a result but that was one of three words. In that case I keep this thread bumping until I get my reply.

-Martin

	15-04-2003 20:36									#38
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Talking about Markos' previous statement, well a statement that doesn't sound like a long explantion, so that reposting it would be much shorter then posting a link. I mean the original statement not one of his many previous statements.

-Martin

	16-04-2003 02:13									#39
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H Tower started a thread on the subject a couple of months ago... maybe he posted there?

	16-04-2003 02:18									#40
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that would be this one, and Markos didn't post in it

	16-04-2003 16:27									#41
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It would be easier if people would use proper IRC client programs to connect to the #apolyton IRC channel.

	16-04-2003 20:10									#42
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yeah, but uni people can't always install things on uni computers

	16-04-2003 21:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard yeah, but uni people can't always install things on uni computers

Yes and in addition I think if Apolyton does offer such a thing then it has to work, especially on uni machines with the latest java by Sun installed.

-Martin

PS: Markos I am still expecting your answer.

	17-04-2003 19:42									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann PS: Markos I am still expecting your answer.

Markos??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-Martin

	17-04-2003 20:31									#45
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Martin:

	18-04-2003 14:10									#46
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People should be able to access the chatroom without installing obsolete software or having to install an irc client. By bumping this, Gühmmy is doing a service to all mankind.

	18-04-2003 18:03									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Martin:

Well Markos could stop this by just giving us an answer. Even if I don't like his answer. And asking once a week didn't actual helped, either. Unfortunatly it is getting a little bit boring. Maybe a break of 3 days would be good. (Three days for Markos to reply )

-Martin

	18-04-2003 18:52									#48
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Skanky,

based on what "should" people be able to join the #apolyton IRC channel without a separate IRC client, rather than the channel would be like any channel and it could be accessed using a separate IRC client? Come on, most of those who use it have a separate IRC client. And if you can't be arsed to use a proper IRC client, then use the old chatroom system.

	18-04-2003 19:00									#49
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That does work, so Markos should use that instead of the Java chat thing for now.

	18-04-2003 19:01									#50
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Okay nevermind, this thing doesn't connect to the regular chat room.

	18-04-2003 19:48									#51
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I never claimed that either. I actually said "old chatroom system."

	19-04-2003 10:16									#52
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* Urban Ranger running tackles Rasbelin and puts him in a half Nelson.

	19-04-2003 13:46									#53
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* Rasbelin pokes back DBTSverse.

	20-04-2003 05:32									#54
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People should be able to access the channel using a standard browser with a semi-modern java runtime environment - say what the vast majority of workplace computers and university computers are equipped with.
The very same places that installing your own software (whether it happens to be an irc client or an old version of the JRE) is not allowed.

The only other option is to get the chatroom software working with what the rest of us have.

	20-04-2003 07:18									#55
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Gangs of bored 'Polytoners beating down Markos door

	20-04-2003 15:39									#56
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Just a pointer...

You can always ask the system administrator or technical contact person at your work or school to either install a new version of JRE or (thougher one, but worth a try) an IRC client. The JRE is a useful piece of software, so it's a very realistic one. If nothing else, refer to the fact a newer JRE by Sun has improved stability and security, which are nice buzz words.

People, you can also try to do something for the situation. Markos isn't the only one.

	20-04-2003 23:15									#57
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I told you. I got the newest release of Sun's JRE, 1.4.1. No, the chat room doesn't work.

	21-04-2003 07:46									#58
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That could just work, Rasbelin. The problem is the only JRE that works is the old one. You know, the one that has less security, more bugs...

The java chatroom doesn't work because the newer version of the JRE actually checks the file signatures properly, and as they aren't signed correctly it won't let the software run. The older version doesn't check properly or perhaps at all, allowing the software to run despite the security risk.

	21-04-2003 22:39									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin People, you can also try to do something for the situation. Markos isn't the only one.

So who else last time I emaled DanQ about the not working CTP2 database add a file form he forwarded it to Markos as it was a techinical problem and Markos was responsible for it. Maybe I can try this again...

Well fact is still that we have here on Apolyton a pience of software that does not work as advertised and so far it looks that Markos ignores this thread. Not good, I think a site owner should be interested in a good working site or at least tell us that there is more important stuff than the java chat room.

-Martin

	21-04-2003 22:44									#60
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Wired post not registrated bug I postind in this thread and I don't fiind this thread at the top of the forum so let's try again.

Edit1: And that is already the second time I see it, today. Last time I used Netscape 4.78 to post it first try failed, second trial bumbed the thread to the top I think. But I wasn't brought back to the thread. I stayed on the post-a-reply-page. Also this time with the differnce I used Mozilla 1.3.

Edit2: Well I hit on the edit-page the Save Changes button and are still here even if the post was updated.

Edit3: Looks like I can repeat the editing as offen as I want, I am still on the edit-page.

-Martin

Edit3: PS Markos don't forget to answer the original question of this thread.

Last edited by Martin Gühmann on 21-04-2003 at 22:52